Smoltz vs. Foulke

[red sox rule!!!]

I'm in the middle of an argument with my buddy about this. He thinks Foulke is the better closer and I insist Smoltz is. He is mostly weighing his arguments on tthis years stats. and saying foulke is better pitcher cuz of era and whip


Foulke, Keith 35.3 innings, 2 wins, 13 saves, 28 ks, 8 bbi, 20 ha, 1.019 era, 0.792 whip
Smoltz, John 28.0innings, 11 saves, 29 ks, 1 bbi, 23 ha, 3.214 era, 0.857 whip

I looked up all their stats for each game they gave up runs.
SMOLTZ
April 7 (2er) - hr(2)
April 8 (1er) - hr
April 9 (1er)- hr
May 4 (1er)- wild pitch
May 8 (1er) - triple
June 11 (3er)- double (1), hr (3)
4 hrs = 5er
wild pitch = 1 run
double = 1 run
triple = 1 run

FOULKE
April 17 (1er) - single
May 30 (2er)- hr (2 men on base only charged 2 runs, should be 3)
June 5 (1er) - hr

2 hrs = 3 run (should be 4)
single = 1 run


So what do you think? Whose the #1 closer smoltz or foulke

[DaQ]

If I had to call one guy in to pitch in an important game to notch a save for me, I'd go with Smoltz. Foulke though will produce better numbers this year because he is on a team that will win more games (Boston vs Atlanta). If Smoltz was playing on last year's Braves, he would get my vote.

It's tough to say who is the better pitcher, but I think Foulke will supply slightly better numbers this year due to that he is on a better team, so he gets my vote-all time though, obviously Smoltz.

[NZF]

Foulke though will produce better numbers this year because he is on a team that will win more games (Boston vs Atlanta)

I can understand Foulke getting more save opportunities because he may be on a team that will win more games than the Braves but I can't see how he will produce better numbers because of this.

Smoltz is the better closer but only by a small margin.

[GucciBaseballs]

If I had to call one guy in to pitch in an important game to notch a save for me, I'd go with Smoltz. Foulke though will produce better numbers this year because he is on a team that will win more games (Boston vs Atlanta). If Smoltz was playing on last year's Braves, he would get my vote.

It's tough to say who is the better pitcher, but I think Foulke will supply slightly better numbers this year due to that he is on a better team, so he gets my vote-all time though, obviously Smoltz.

common misconception. wins doesn't necessarily translate to saves. Last year the Brewers had the most save oppurtunities even though they didn't win that many games.

[quickfingerz]

Whoever told you that needs to consider 9th inning save opportunities as I'm certain the Brewers didn't have the most 9th inning save opportunities.

9th inning save ops = ops for team closer

If I had to call one guy in to pitch in an important game to notch a save for me, I'd go with Smoltz. Foulke though will produce better numbers this year because he is on a team that will win more games (Boston vs Atlanta). If Smoltz was playing on last year's Braves, he would get my vote.

It's tough to say who is the better pitcher, but I think Foulke will supply slightly better numbers this year due to that he is on a better team, so he gets my vote-all time though, obviously Smoltz.

common misconception. wins doesn't necessarily translate to saves. Last year the Brewers had the most save oppurtunities even though they didn't win that many games.

[GucciBaseballs]

Whoever told you that needs to consider 9th inning save opportunities as I'm certain the Brewers didn't have the most 9th inning save opportunities.

9th inning save ops = ops for team closer

actually in 03 the Brewers did have the most oppurtunities in the majors. Check anyware. I dare you.

I found proof too from MLB.com
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats_historical/mlb_historical_team_stats.jsp?baseballScope=mlb&teamPosCode=all&statType=2&sitSplit=&timeSubFrame2=1&timeFrame=1&groupByTeam=true&subScope=teamCode&timeSubFrame=2003&&sortByStat=SVO

Why don't you think before you speak next time buddy