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Postby warrick95 » Sun Jun 20, 2004 4:49 pm

oswalt
beckett
zambrano
santana (very close to CZ)
sheets
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Postby NZF » Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:00 pm

Beckett
Zambrano
Oswalt
Sheets
Santana
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Postby ajgnydc722 » Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:02 pm

New Zealand Fan wrote:Beckett
Zambrano
Oswalt
Sheets
Santana


Not sure how that makes any sense whatsoever. :-?
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Postby NZF » Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:14 pm

ajgnydc722 wrote:
New Zealand Fan wrote:Beckett
Zambrano
Oswalt
Sheets
Santana


Not sure how that makes any sense whatsoever. :-?


The fact Beckett is ranked top or that Santana is last ?
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Postby ajgnydc722 » Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:16 pm

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ajgnydc722 wrote:
New Zealand Fan wrote:Beckett
Zambrano
Oswalt
Sheets
Santana


Not sure how that makes any sense whatsoever. :-?


The fact Beckett is ranked top or that Santana is last ?


Both really.

Beckett is always hurt and hasn't really proved too much. Santana hasn't either but he's stayed healthy so far (knock on wood) and has proved to be a dominating pitcher when he's on. No possible way Sheets can be ranked above Santana IMO. Even Oswalt is too low.
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Postby bboy » Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:17 pm

New Zealand Fan wrote:Beckett
Zambrano
Oswalt
Sheets
Santana


That's crazy talk

Santana's last 3 outings

23IP, 3 wins, 29 SO and a 1.6 ERA, .65 WHIP

He's crap - I'm dropping him
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Postby NZF » Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:31 pm

bboy wrote:
New Zealand Fan wrote:Beckett
Zambrano
Oswalt
Sheets
Santana


That's crazy talk

Santana's last 3 outings

23IP, 3 wins, 29 SO and a 1.6 ERA, .65 WHIP

He's crap - I'm dropping him


Never said he was crap just that IMO he is the fifth best pitcher on that list. Sure he has been excellent over his last three starts but three sunny days doesn't make a summer and those games have been against weak NL teams who have rarely if ever seen him before. Mets, Montreal and Milwaukee :-t

He pitches in the weakest divison in the majors yet has a very ordinary record overall this season. Once he gets back to the AL he will get hit again. I do expect him to improve on his first two months but no way he will continue to do what he has in his last 3 starts.
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Postby bboy » Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:40 pm

New Zealand Fan wrote: three sunny days doesn't make a summer


If you're in Wellington it does :-D
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Postby NZF » Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:10 pm

ajgnydc722 wrote:
New Zealand Fan wrote:
ajgnydc722 wrote:
New Zealand Fan wrote:Beckett
Zambrano
Oswalt
Sheets
Santana


Not sure how that makes any sense whatsoever. :-?


The fact Beckett is ranked top or that Santana is last ?


Both really.

Beckett is always hurt and hasn't really proved too much. Santana hasn't either but he's stayed healthy so far (knock on wood) and has proved to be a dominating pitcher when he's on. No possible way Sheets can be ranked above Santana IMO. Even Oswalt is too low.


Beckett hasn't really proved too much 8-o World Series MVP takes some beating.

I have no doubt he is comfortably the best pitcher on that list. To say he is always hurt is rubbish. Sure he has had blister problems but he has only missed 3 of his last 42 scheduled starts. He will be back anchoring the best rotation in the majors again this week.

Zambrano is clearly second. He has been an absolute horse the last two seasons and shows no signs of slowing down.

Oswalt like Beckett has had injury concerns and has looked ordinary at times this season but his overall record since hitting the bigs in 2001 is first class and he deserves his 3rd spot.

Sheets is ahead of Santana due to his consistency this season and he has proved he is a far better pitcher now than he was last season and is getting better all the time.

Looking at his overall record this season and the fact that Santana has only been a SP less than a season overall, he clearly deserves to be ranked last on that list. Pitching in the weakest divison his numbers before facing weak NL teams in interleague play was average to say the least.
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Postby John Bonzo » Sun Jun 20, 2004 10:32 pm

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Beckett hasn't really proved too much 8-o World Series MVP takes some beating.

I have no doubt he is comfortably the best pitcher on that list. To say he is always hurt is rubbish. Sure he has had blister problems but he has only missed 3 of his last 42 scheduled starts. He will be back anchoring the best rotation in the majors again this week.

Zambrano is clearly second. He has been an absolute horse the last two seasons and shows no signs of slowing down.

Oswalt like Beckett has had injury concerns and has looked ordinary at times this season but his overall record since hitting the bigs in 2001 is first class and he deserves his 3rd spot.

Sheets is ahead of Santana due to his consistency this season and he has proved he is a far better pitcher now than he was last season and is getting better all the time.

Looking at his overall record this season and the fact that Santana has only been a SP less than a season overall, he clearly deserves to be ranked last on that list. Pitching in the weakest divison his numbers before facing weak NL teams in interleague play was average to say the least.


I agree with most of what you said, though I would personally modify the rankings a bit to:

Zambrano
Beckett
Sheets
Oswalt
Santana

I think that Beckett's and Oswalt's injury concerns and history merit their flip-flops with Zambrano and Sheets respectively. Santana will need to string together more good starts to move up the list in my opinion.
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