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Postby ScrappyDoo » Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:26 am

He hasnt been as effective this year, but then again he struggling in the early months last year. Is he going to turn it around and remain a top tier SP. I was thinking of offering Wade Miller and Odalis Perez for him. Would that be a good move or is he going to continue to put up average-at-best numbers.
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Postby kaz » Fri Jun 18, 2004 11:31 am

Yes, he will turn it around. When you win the Cy Young, it's not a fluke.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:43 pm

kaz wrote:Yes, he will turn it around. When you win the Cy Young, it's not a fluke.


I disagree to a point - While I wont say its a fluke, I will say it was a career yr. I dont expect numbers like he had last yr.
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Postby DarkShadow » Fri Jun 18, 2004 1:59 pm

Last year's stats were very similar to his stats in 2001 and 2002. He has been consistent from year to year and I wouldn't expect it to change.
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Postby Tavish » Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:04 pm

The biggest concern for me as a Halladay owner is his walks are up, already nearly equal to his last year total. That being said I am not at all worried about him and he is a must-start ace.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:12 pm

DarkShadow wrote:Last year's stats were very similar to his stats in 2001 and 2002. He has been consistent from year to year and I wouldn't expect it to change.


I disagree to a point.
While he was good in 2002, he hadnt done anything before that. In 2001, he posted good %s, but only started 16 games and ended with a 5-3 season record.
Last yr he posted his highest totals in Ws, Ks, and IP while having a lower WHIP than he ever had before. Thats 3 of the major 4 SP catagories that he had career bests in last yr - Id say thats the definition of a career yr.
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Postby matmat » Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:15 pm

he will pitch better than he has thus far this year, but because of the shoulder problem (do you actually believe that he is 100%?) I don't think we'll see the same Roy as last year.
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Postby JuiceMonkey » Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:27 pm

kaz wrote:Yes, he will turn it around. When you win the Cy Young, it's not a fluke.


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Postby DarkShadow » Fri Jun 18, 2004 2:47 pm

If you take into account his IP, 2002 and 2003 are very similar with a small change in WHIP. The same goes for 2001 as he only pitched 100 innings. Career years are only career years when they are drastically above other years. If there is a slight improvement from year to year, that's not a career year.
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Postby Cornbread Maxwell » Fri Jun 18, 2004 3:01 pm

DarkShadow wrote:If you take into account his IP, 2002 and 2003 are very similar with a small change in WHIP. The same goes for 2001 as he only pitched 100 innings. Career years are only career years when they are drastically above other years. If there is a slight improvement from year to year, that's not a career year.


Once again, I disagree with you here. A career yr for a player still playing means his performance numbers are better than he ever posted before.
When you post your best totals in Ws, Ks, and WHIP in the same season - even by a little bit, thats a career yr until you beat those numbers.
By your standard some players will never have a career yr.
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