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Postby LionsandTigersOhMy » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:33 pm

Take over the closer role? Dotel has proven to not be closer material. Error or no error last night he should have shut it down! He is wild from what I have seen and a closer does not have the luxury of falling behind batters! Anyone with any thoughts on the situation?
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Postby thehat » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:52 pm

This could get interesting. Williams is not the most predictabole manager on the planet, so who knows? But Lidge is dominating, Dotel isn't, and I think that Dotel could be better suited to his old role rather than the one he's in now. Definitely worth watching, and even more reason to own Lidge.
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Postby KolbSaves » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:56 pm

Why all the Dotel hate? His numbers are not that bad...

1.23 whip 3.13 era 46 k with 13 saves

I know Lidge's numbers are better, but who's to say that he's a better closer?

Lidge has 2 blown saves and 1 save

Dotel has 3 blown saves and 13 saves
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Wed Jun 16, 2004 12:59 pm

3.13 ERA isnt very good for a closer. Hes sort of like Latroy Hawkins in Minnesota, he doesn't seem to have that closer mentality. Dotel is now 0-4, which means hes had a little bit of trouble holding the lead or the tie. I think hes going to get more time, but if he continues to struggle look for lidge to start vulturing saves.
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Postby pibb55 » Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:07 pm

I doubt Lidge will take over the closers role, closing isnt the same as setting up obviously. Dotels done just fine, Dotel's last years numbers are very similar to Lidges numbers this year, and changing around closers messes with the pitchers head, and I don't think they need to in this situation.

Dotel (last year in set up)- 2.48 ERA .97 WHIP .172 Baa 3.2 Bb/9 10K/9

Lidge - 2.58 ERA .94 WHIP .170 BAA 3.1 BB/9 14.5 K/9
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Postby pokerplaya » Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:32 pm

Maybe I'll be wrong, but I don't see Dotel losing his job this year. He has been ok, if not as good as he should be. However, he has the stuff, and should keep the job over Lidge in my opinion. There has been absolutely no talk of this in real life, so there is no reason to think it is imminent. Dotel thrived in the setup role, as Lidge is doing so now. Lidge could blow be just as inconsistent, you just don't know. I don't see any reason for the Astros to make the move now, and I am willing to bet that Dotel keeps his job for at least the duration of the season.
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:38 pm

I see plenty of reasons they would make that move, just check their place in the NL Central. 5th.
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Postby Sam Handwich » Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:38 pm

i think they should flip flop the role on a monthly basis based on who has had the most recent bad outing.
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Postby perlick29 » Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:43 pm

wouldn't matter to me because I traded Charles Johnson Jacque Jones and JC Romero in early May to get Contreras and Lidge giving me the Dotel-Lidge dream combo.

I suggest you all do the same
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Postby thetongueofire » Wed Jun 16, 2004 1:44 pm

the silver lining is that he has a 3.1 era without having any control at all.. 8-o .. Dotel can be totally dominant if/when gets his control back... plus not even Jimmy williams will take someone out of the closer role right away just cos hes blown 3 outta 16 save opps. i see Dotel keeping the job.
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