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Who shouldn't be in the Hall of Fame?

Postby Quaker » Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:28 pm

Two recent threads have asked who is a lock for the hall of fame, and who should be in but is not. It got me wondering- who is in the hall of fame, but does not deserve it?
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Postby Urge » Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:35 pm

Nearly everyone put in by the veteran's committee.
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Postby Tavish » Sun Jun 13, 2004 8:46 pm

I don't get too upset with the VC choices with turn of the century players, but two of the more recent players they voted in was annoying. Rizzuto and Mazeroski don't belong.

The only player voted in by the Baseball Writers that never sat well wth me was Tony Perez.
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Postby bobhaldeman » Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:51 am

Rick Ferrell. Stupid Veterans Committee.
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Postby Pochuck » Mon Jun 14, 2004 1:36 am

I saw Maz play and let me tell u he was not hall of famer excwellent fielder but you can stop therre! I would rather see bobby richardson in hall than him and im not yankee fan!
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Postby DL » Mon Jun 14, 2004 4:07 am

Reggie Jackson!

There is only 1 player who has struck out more than 2000 times...and Reggie Jackson is that man with 2,597 K's. His career batting average was .262.

There are people out there who do not think Rafael Palmeiro is a hall of famer or is borderline at best...compare (through 6/12)...


STRIKEOUTS
Reggie 2597 (In 9864 AB's)
Raffy 1261 (In 9751 AB's)

BATTING AVERAGE
Reggie .262
Raffy .291

HOMERUNS
Reggie 563
Raffy 537

RUNS BATTED IN
Reggie 1702
Raffy 1721

RUNS
Reggie 1551
Raffy 1575

HITS
Reggie 2584
Raffy 2834

DOUBLES
Reggie 463
Raffy 551

ON BASE PERCENTAGE
Reggie .356
Raffy .373

SLUGGING PERCENTAGE
Reggie .490
Raffy .520



Palmeiro beats him across the board (except HR's for now...Raffy ain't done yet). Reggie Jackson is one of the most overrated players of all-time...homeruns aren't everything. I believe Palmeiro is a hall-of-famer, but I think Reggie falls short.
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Postby josebach » Mon Jun 14, 2004 8:45 am

DL wrote:Reggie Jackson!

There is only 1 player who has struck out more than 2000 times...and Reggie Jackson is that man with 2,597 K's. His career batting average was .262.

There are people out there who do not think Rafael Palmeiro is a hall of famer or is borderline at best...compare (through 6/12)...


STRIKEOUTS
Reggie 2597 (In 9864 AB's)
Raffy 1261 (In 9751 AB's)

BATTING AVERAGE
Reggie .262
Raffy .291

HOMERUNS
Reggie 563
Raffy 537

RUNS BATTED IN
Reggie 1702
Raffy 1721

RUNS
Reggie 1551
Raffy 1575

HITS
Reggie 2584
Raffy 2834

DOUBLES
Reggie 463
Raffy 551

ON BASE PERCENTAGE
Reggie .356
Raffy .373

SLUGGING PERCENTAGE
Reggie .490
Raffy .520



Palmeiro beats him across the board (except HR's for now...Raffy ain't done yet). Reggie Jackson is one of the most overrated players of all-time...homeruns aren't everything. I believe Palmeiro is a hall-of-famer, but I think Reggie falls short.


Nobody is saying Raffy shouldn't be in the hall are they? Are you familiar with the HOF Standards? Well, you might want to be before you start spouting off that Mr. October shouldn't be in the hall of fame. As Michael Jackson would say... "That's ignorant! That's just ignorant!". ;-)

http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jacksre01.shtml
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Postby Mookie4ever » Mon Jun 14, 2004 10:51 am

DL wrote:Reggie Jackson!

There is only 1 player who has struck out more than 2000 times...and Reggie Jackson is that man with 2,597 K's. His career batting average was .262.



But Reggie was clutch.
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Postby wkelly91 » Mon Jun 14, 2004 12:50 pm

Pochuck wrote:I saw Maz play and let me tell u he was not hall of famer excwellent fielder but you can stop therre! I would rather see bobby richardson in hall than him and im not yankee fan!


Does that apply to all defensive stars?

Ozzie Smith perhaps :-?
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Postby frog99 » Mon Jun 14, 2004 3:06 pm

DL wrote:Reggie Jackson!

There is only 1 player who has struck out more than 2000 times...and Reggie Jackson is that man with 2,597 K's. His career batting average was .262.

There are people out there who do not think Rafael Palmeiro is a hall of famer or is borderline at best...compare (through 6/12)...


STRIKEOUTS
Reggie 2597 (In 9864 AB's)
Raffy 1261 (In 9751 AB's)

BATTING AVERAGE
Reggie .262
Raffy .291

HOMERUNS
Reggie 563
Raffy 537

RUNS BATTED IN
Reggie 1702
Raffy 1721

RUNS
Reggie 1551
Raffy 1575

HITS
Reggie 2584
Raffy 2834

DOUBLES
Reggie 463
Raffy 551

ON BASE PERCENTAGE
Reggie .356
Raffy .373

SLUGGING PERCENTAGE
Reggie .490
Raffy .520



Palmeiro beats him across the board (except HR's for now...Raffy ain't done yet). Reggie Jackson is one of the most overrated players of all-time...homeruns aren't everything. I believe Palmeiro is a hall-of-famer, but I think Reggie falls short.


To use Sabermetrics:

Black Ink: Batting - 35 (42) (Average HOFer ~ 27)
Gray Ink: Batting - 175 (57) (Average HOFer ~ 144)
HOF Standards: Batting - 53.0 (55) (Average HOFer ~ 50)
HOF Monitor: Batting - 172.5 (51) (Likely HOFer > 100)


and he did all those numbers in an era where the ball was not
juiced (unlike raffy)
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