proncis wrote:As a lifelong Mariner fan it pained me to watch tonights game.
The Mariners should've beaten Clemens. Piniero was matching him pitch for pitch. I hate Clemens and the M's did have their chances. The team just can't score runs. Edgar just looked awful tonight.
Just rebuild the damn team already! (rant over)
As a Pineiro owner who started him, I feel your pain in regards to the sentiment that tonight hurt you to watch the game. The M's skiper even let Pineiro muscle through the 8th inning after haveing topped 100 pitches bye the end of the 7th, all in hopes that Pineiro wouldnt have to take the loss, or would get a win if they just could have put up 2 runs in the bottom of the 8th. After Suzuki worked Clemens for 11 pitches with about 8 of them being fouls in the bottom of the 7th, I thought there was a slight chance, but no cigar as B.Lidge and O.Dotel closed it out.
To the initial question that Lofunzo answered : As long as a SP leaves the game with the lead after 4INN ( innings pitched) it might be 5INN, and the other team does not tie or take the lead, then the SP will be credited with the win.
For RP I believe total or amount of innings pitched are irrelevant and that, As long as the reliever records the last out against his opponent, with the game tied or before his team reclaims the lead, he will be credited with the W (or stat junkie politicaly correct RW/ReliefWin), as long as the opponent does not tie or take the lead before the games conclusion.
blah....blah....blah...... In laymens terms, if a pitcher leaves the game with the lead haveing been made while he was pitching, he will get the win if his team doesnt blow it.
Even though Clemens didnt finish the inning, his team already had the lead before he got the first two outs in the 7th. Had he not pitched at all in the 7th, whoever the reliever was that got the first out afterwards, provided the Astros retained the lead, would have been credited with the win or RW/ReliefWin.
"Son we would like to keep you around here but were trying to win a pennant this year."