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Postby mintie » Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:01 pm

What should you do when two of your starting pitchers face each other? In my example, I have Prior and Matt Morris pitching against each other Wednesday. I was thinking about sitting Morris and just playing Prior. What would you do in this situation, or any situation where you have two SPs facing each other?
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Postby Kelly Gruber » Mon Jun 07, 2004 3:07 pm

The last time I sat one and pitched the other, the guy I sat got a CG SHO and the other guy got the loss (Oliver Perez vs. Jose Acevedo).

Still, it is stupid to start both because only 1 win is handed out at the end (if at all). Do start both if you care about ERA WHIP and K's and both pitchers will provide that.

Don't sit Prior; he's too good to bench. I'd bench Morris, because I think he's not that good, and especially against Prior he is not likely to get the win.
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Postby AcidRock23 » Mon Jun 07, 2004 4:08 pm

It kind of depends if you are using more 'volume' stats (both good like K and bad like BB...) or more 'average' type of stats (like ERA/ WHIP, etc.). If you can 'win' more cats w/ volume type of stats, I'd do both.

Also, against the Cubs occasional offense, I'd have to say that Morris should be worth the risk. He did pretty well against the Cubs in the earlier matchup in St. Louis too. W/ Prior limited to 6 or at the most 7 innings, the probability he is going to get a W is a lot lower than when he could go deeper into the games. The Cubs bullpen has made me ill recently, and they haven't even walked in any runs for a while!!
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Postby d18Mike » Mon Jun 07, 2004 4:19 pm

This seems to happen to me a lot. In fact I have Armas/Grienke on Tuesday. In a standard 5x5, I always pitch both if they are quality pitchers and match-ups. Wins are so absolutely unpredictable that if you have a low ERA/WHIP pitcher, you just run him out there.

I'd do it.
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Postby Mordraken » Mon Jun 07, 2004 4:22 pm

In my H2H league, I'd start them both for these reasons:

1) More Ks
2) Better chance that ONE of your pitchers gets a win
3) Two decent pitchers will probably give you good ERA and WHIP.

It would be different if you had (for example) Tim Hudson vs. Chan Ho Park, but given the two you have start them both and hope for two complete games with the final score being 1-0 with the run scored on an error.
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Postby stomperrob » Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:00 pm

In H2H it can pay off if you have two good SP's on fairly evenly matched teams. Example - earlier this year I started both R. Johnson and T. Glavine when they pitched against each other and it was a low scoring game with good stats for both pitchers so it paid off great for me.
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Postby Madison » Mon Jun 07, 2004 5:52 pm

I play the matchup, not the opposing pitcher. If the matchup is good, then I start both guys. I look at era/whip/k's. Wins is all run dependant and can't be controlled by my pitcher (s). In your instance, I'd start both guys. Prior is too good to sit, even against St. Luis. Morris against the Cubs could be dicey, but I'd roll the dice and start him as well.
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Postby Crazy Horse » Mon Jun 07, 2004 6:30 pm

I agree with Madison. Usually I look at the matchup, but both guys are too good to sit. Hope for a pitching duel and that you get a win out of one of them.
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Postby AdvRider » Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:42 pm

Nah, I always sit one of the dueling twirlers. I'm in Yahoo with innings pitched limit and you can't get two wins.

You may want to analyze by factors you might not ordinarily check, i.e., career record against opposing team, day/nite success, turf/grass, home/away, etc. ... also consider bullpen quality.
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