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Postby perlick29 » Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:48 pm

I've read everything that's been posted so far and here is my take:

Wolf is far and away the ace of this staff. Millwood has aged and will not near be as effective this year as Wolf. Myers has the most raw talent but this is not the year he puts it al together.

Wondering why Wolf faded tremendously down the stretch? On July 23 he pitched a four hit shutout against the cubs and threw 132 pitches, 43 more than his average pitch count. Larry Bowa shot his arm just for the sake of a complete game shutout when the game was already out of hand. Randy's minor injury was nothing, look for big things when he gets his run support. Tough for a guy like me who owns both him and Odalis Perez.
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Postby trac02 » Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:57 pm

Is nobody concerned about Wolf's recent elbow tenderness?
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23 BB, 8 HR and 72 K in 65 IP (9.97 K/9)

2 complete games, 1 shutout
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Postby thetongueofire » Fri Jun 04, 2004 3:11 pm

Wolf is turning into more of a finesse pitcher.

he's throwing around 2 less pitches per inning which is pretty significant... that also means that he will get less K's than he has in past couple of years... in the past he was able to throw high at home (and get away with it... the reason for lopsided home/away plits) but this year he can't cos of the new 330 left and right field boundaries. also agree with perlick that the bullpen will make things easier for him. but i dunno how the modified pitching style will work for him.. it'll just be interesting wait and watch. also note that theres been a major dropoff in the offense in that division... the only team thats actually improved offensivly is the Mets but they still aren't very good. :-)
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Postby GSes » Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:10 pm

XTSilver wrote:Is Miller really that underrated? A career 3.93 ERA with 1.31 Whip averaging around 160ks and 15 Ws for a full season? Good numbers, but who says Miller isn't good? Great numbers? No. So if you are making a case that he is a great pitcher I would have to disagree. Just this year he has two 7IP shut outs but three games where he didn't go more than 6 and he let up four or more. Two of those were his last two starts where he had a 9 ERA and 2 or above Whip. So overall good numbers but one of those pitchers who could kill your weekly stats. (i.e. Dtrain) Obviously he is young and has upside, but it's not like he's showing any signs of breakout this year.


Miller is VERY underrated he slipped as late as the 13th round in some drafts I saw. IMO he was a solid #8 pick.

I have Wolf & Miller on a majority of my teams, I don't think I have one team were at least 1 of those guys isnt on it. Pull this thread back up in september

Wolf & Miller are really good, and very underrated.

Wolf is going to start getting the support to snag some wins. He won 16 last year, I say he easily wins 16. He is far and away the ace of this staff.

My preaseason prejoections and STILL current projections on Wolf & Miller

Wolf:
17 wins
3.40 ERA
1.15 WHIP
170 K's

Miller:
17 wins
3.40 ERA
1.20 WHIP
190 K's
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Postby G-Man » Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:37 pm

I'm not concerned about the tendinitis issue, primarily because I feel giddy about being able to STEAL wolf 3 years in a row with garbage round draft picks. will never understand why this guy hasn't caught on in fantasyland....highly underrated.
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Postby mikcou » Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:59 pm

I agree with the people that say Wolf is extremely underrated
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Postby ironman » Mon Jun 07, 2004 1:28 pm

Here are some splits of Wolf's to note.

2001:
Pre-Allstar: 4.84 ERA, 1.49 WHIP
Post-Allstar: 2.19 ERA, 0.89 ERA

2002:
Pre-Allstar: 4.44 ERA, 1.33 WHIP
Post-Allstar: 2.10 ERA, 0.93 WHIP

2003:
Pre-Allstar: 3.31 ERA, 1.09 WHIP
Post-Allstar: 5.60 ERA, 1.50 WHIP

2004:
Pre-Allstar: 2.91 ERA, 1.14 WHIP
Post-Allstar: stay tuned

The guy has yet to put together a solid full season. He does look like an ace sometimes but it depends on which half of the season you look at.
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