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Is this a trade to veto?

Postby coolwaterx » Mon Mar 31, 2003 9:45 am

Vidro and Payton for Abreu then dropping Floyd

The guy who traded for Vidro has Eric Young at 2nd, Bonds, Luis Gonzalez and Dave Roberts in the OF. Is it a trade to veto or just a stupid trade?

Batters Opp O-Rank Rank R HR RBI SB AVG
Payton, Jay (CF, LF-Col) @Hou 280 330 - - - - -
Vidro, Jose (2B-Mon) - 94 249 - - - - -

Batters Opp O-Rank Rank R HR RBI SB AVG
Abreu, Bobby (RF, CF-Phi) - 18 308 - - - - -

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Batters Opp O-Rank Rank R HR RBI SB AVG
Floyd, Cliff (RF, LF, DH-NYM)
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Postby joe61878 (Guest) » Mon Mar 31, 2003 10:05 am

The trade in itself doesn't seem grossly unfair, but why would he drop Cliff Floyd? That's the part I don't get. I would say do not veto it -- it doesn't sound like collusion, just stupidity.
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Postby Arlo » Mon Mar 31, 2003 10:50 am

Agreed - I wouldn't put in a veto here unless you have reason to suspect collusion.
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Postby Mordraken » Mon Mar 31, 2003 12:14 pm

In my oppinion, there is only one reason to veto a trade: Collusion.

What is Collusion? When one owner agrees to trade a player in exchange for real-life-hard-cash and/or a share in the expected winnings. That would NEVER happen at the beginning of the year (unless two owners are being extremly obvious and trading the 10 best players for the 10 worst players).

Protecting owners from their own stupidity is not the job of the commissioner. The dumb owners will learn that way...

In this case, one owner is receiving Vidro & Payton (then droping Floyd) and losing Abreu.

Looking at his lineup, Eric Young is DONE - the scraps you give your dog. The only good thing about him is the 30 SB you should expect. He can't even be relied on to score runs. Vidro on the other hand is a guy who will get 100 RBIs and 100 Runs with a >300 avergae.

Next Payton could be another 100 RBI, Run guy with 30-40 homers. Might not too, but nobody knows. Most are projecting him to get in the 80s of both RBIs and RUns with 30 homers.

Abreu had a career year last year and MIGHT do it again, but also might not.

Last couple of years were Floyd's first full years in 10 ML years I think... he's always been injured... Maybe that's why he's droping him.

BUT - Abreu for Vidro & Payton I would do if I had Eric Young at 2B... but I would drop Eric Young. The guy doing the dropng just doesn't know enough about baseball, and that's his problem.
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Postby kashikis » Mon Mar 31, 2003 3:24 pm

mordraken is exactly right this guy may be stupid but this isnt a totally unfair trade. he gets a top 5 2b and a sleeper outfielder for a top 10 OF. on paper its fine so i see no reason to veto this trade.

remember people all value players different if he thinks abreu was a fluke and thinks payton will blow up then it was a good trade for him but oh well you gotta learn one way or the other.

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Postby iwonthisleague » Mon Mar 31, 2003 8:54 pm

if you have a high waiver priority than you would be stupid to veto cause you could pick up floyd

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Postby The Jury » Mon Mar 31, 2003 9:43 pm

In some leagues (including Yahoo) you can't pick up your own dropped player until he clears waivers.

The trade itself is fine, but dropping Cliff Floyd isn't. Don't veto it, but be puzzled by it. And get Cliff Floyd^^
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Postby Siege1386 » Tue Apr 01, 2003 12:17 am

You got to let it go, but warn the guy about being stupid after it goes through. Then grab Cliff Floyd like previously stated.
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Postby Danks81 » Tue Apr 01, 2003 2:57 am

Let it go through
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