WHO WILL YOU VOTE AS PRESIDENT - Fantasy Baseball Cafe 2014 Fantasy Baseball Cafe
100% Deposit Bonus for Cafe Members!

Return to General Talk

WHO WILL YOU VOTE AS PRESIDENT

Moderator: Baseball Moderators

WHO WILL YOU VOTE TO BE PRESIDENT

John Kerry
23
42%
George Bush
22
40%
Ralph Nadar
2
4%
Other
2
4%
Won't Vote
6
11%
 
Total votes : 55

Postby Arlo » Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:20 am

acs, I agree with you that it's worthwhile and important to compare political rhetoric of the past with that of the present. However, I strongly disagree with going from there to a blanket Hitler-Bush comparison. At best, it's inaccurate; at worst, it's doing a disservice to the memory of those murdered sixty years ago. Not trying to jump on you, and I'm with you that much of what Bush has said and done deserves to be criticized, but there are better ways of doing so. Many comparisons with the past can be made by both Bush critics and supporters, but this isn't one of them.

acsguitar wrote:Of course Number wise you cannot compare the Death of 2,000,000 jews...

Six million or thereabouts would be more accurate, to say nothing of the other victim groups.

acsguitar wrote:... where people are shipped off to camps. It couldn't happen there is to much of a third eye on the world. People see everything in this day of cameras and the internet.

And I wish you were right, but there's genocide going on today, internet and all. Maybe someday we'll get there, but we have a long way to go...
Arlo
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Fantasy ExpertCafe WriterCafe RankerPick 3 Weekly WinnerSweet 16 SurvivorLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 8847
Joined: 4 Jan 2002
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: The Cheap Seats

Postby wkelly91 » Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:31 am

Absolutely Adequate wrote:Do you know what the real difference between then and now is? The people calling Bush those things are some internet nutjobs with a few people reading. Those that called Clinton those names were right-wing leaders and the media.


Here is a list worthy of consideration:

"When I see an American flag flying, it's a joke." -- Robert Altman

"They're sheep. They like him (Bush) enough to credit him with saving the nation after 9/11. Three thousand people get killed, and everybody thinks they're next on the list. The president comes along, and he's got his six-guns strapped on, and people think he's going to save them." -- Ed Asner

"I also think that there is a strong streak of racism, and whenever we engage in foreign adventures. Our whole history in regime change has been of people of different color." -- Ed Asner

"I not only think that they (U.S. leaders) are misguided, but I think they know exactly what they are doing and I think that they are men who are possessed of evil." -- Harry Belafonte

"The real terrorist threats are George W. Bush and his band of brown-shirted thugs." -- Sandra Bernhard

"I think America has no experience with terrorism or even with war. In Europe, we know a little bit more about these things." -- Bono

"I'm saying that the moral climate within the ruling class in this country is not that different from the moral climate within the ruling class of Hitler's Germany." -- David Clennon, star of the hit CBS television series "The Agency,"

...I'm not comparing Bush to Adolf Hitler - because George Bush, for one thing, is not as smart as Adolf Hitler. And secondly George Bush has much more power than Adolf Hitler ever had." -- David Clennon, star of the hit CBS television series "The Agency,"

...I'm saying that we (Americans) have sunk pretty low and I'm saying that you can look at the moral climate in Germany in 1933. We have to ask ourselves if we found ourselves in Nazi Germany, what would we do. Now I say, let the inspection process take its course." -- David Clennon, star of the hit CBS television series "The Agency,"

"You can't beat your enemy anymore through wars; instead you create an entire generation of people revenge-seeking. These days it only matters who's in charge. Right now that's us -- for a while at least. Our opponents are going to resort to car bombs and suicide attacks because they have no other way to win. ...I believe (Rumsfeld) thinks this is a war that can be won, but there is no such thing anymore. We can't beat anyone anymore." -- George Clooney

"I think war is based in greed and there are huge karmic retributions that will follow. I think war is never the answer to solving any problems. The best way to solve problems is to not have enemies." -- Sheryl Crow

I think the U.S. is terrifying and it saddens me. You only have to look at the state of affairs in America. I do worry about my children. As a parent you are always concerned...I just want them to be in a place where they are going to be strong enough to be able to make the right choices. Unfortunately we're in a position where people are so irresponsible that human life holds so little value to them. -- Tom Cruise explains why he wants his kids to be raised in Australia instead of America

"I just wish men would quit thinking they could just duke it out with each other. I don’t have all the facts, and who knows what’s really the truth, but I don’t really respect (Bush’s) way of dealing with this situation. It would have been great to have someone really, really smart in that office, and someone who is globally aware." -- Sandy Duncan

"I don't know if a country (America) where the people are so ignorant of reality and of history, if you can call that a free world." -- Jane Fonda

"(W)hen Communist U.S.S.R. was a superpower, the world was better off. The right-wing media is trying to marginalize the peace movement." -- Janeane Garofalo

"This (Iraq) is a manufactured conflict for the sake of geopolitical dominance in the area." -- Janeane Garofalo

"In a situation like this, of course you identify with everyone who's suffering. (But we must also think about) the terrorists who are creating such horrible future lives for themselves because of the negativity of this karma. It's all of our jobs to keep our minds as expansive as possible. If you can see (the terrorists) as a relative who's dangerously sick and we have to give them medicine, and the medicine is love and compassion. There's nothing better." -- Richard Gere

"America has never paid any attention to other people, so it's absurd for Bush to say that it's all in the best interests of the Iraqi people." -- Richard Gere

"Yes, (Bush is a) racist. We all knew that but the world is only finding it out now. As Texas's governor, Bush led a penitentiary system that executed more people than all the other U.S. states together. And most of the people who died from (the) death penalty were Afro-Americans or Hispanics. (Bush) promoted a Conservative program, designed to eliminate everything Americans had accomplished so far in matters of race and equality." -- Danny Glover

"A sad figure (Bush) – not too well educated, who doesn't get out of America much. He's leading the country towards Fascism." -- Larry Hagman

"This is a racist and imperialist war. The warmongers who stole the White House (you call them "hawks", but I would never disparage such a fine bird) have hijacked a nation's grief and turned it into a perpetual war on any non-white country they choose to describe as terrorist." -- Woody Harrelson

"The war against terrorism is terrorism. The whole thing is just bullsh*t." -- Woody Harrelson

"I believe - though I may wrong because I am no expert - that this war is about what most wars are about: hegemony, money, power and oil." -- Dustin Hoffman

"Have we gone to war yet? We f****** deserve to get bombed. Bring it on." -- Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders

"Let's get rid of all the economic (expletive) this country represents! Bring it on, I hope the Muslims win!" -- Chrissie Hynde of The Pretenders

"It is an embarrassing time to be an American. It really is. It's humiliating." -- Jessica Lange

"What can I say? I hate Bush; I despise him and his entire administration, everything he represents and everything he has tried to do, not only internationally, which is horrific, but domestically as well. In my country the atmosphere is poisoned. Unbreathable for those of us who are not on the right. So thank you for inviting me to this festival and allowing me to leave there for a few days." -- Jessica Lange

"I don't believe war is a way to solve problems. I think it's wrong. I don't have respect for the people that made the decisions to go on with war. I don't have that much respect for Bush. He's about war, I'm not about war - a lot of people aren't about war." -- Avril Lavigne

"Too many people are being bowled over by Bush and Tony Blair in Britain. It's ludicrous to expect the whole world to follow what they want. America doesn't have the moral right to tell other people what to do. To say the whole world has to fall into line is you-know-what. I hope more people will rise up." -- Spike Lee

"Melt their weapons, melt their hearts, melt their anger with love." -- Shirley MacLaine on her anti-terrorism policy

"We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That's cowardly. Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it's not cowardly." -- Bill Maher, Politically Incorrect

"America has an almost obscene infatuation with itself. Has there ever been a big, powerful country that is as patriotic as America? And patriotic in the tinniest way, with so much flag waving? You'd really think we were some poor little republic, and that if one person lost his religion for one hour, the whole thing would crumble. America is the real religion in this country." -- Norman Mailer

"The WTC was not just an architectural monstrosity, but also terrible for people who didn't work there, for it said to all those people: 'If you can't work up here, boy, you're out of it.' That's why I'm sure that if those towers had been destroyed without loss of life, a lot of people would have cheered. Everything wrong with America led to the point where the country built that tower of Babel, which consequently had to be destroyed. And then came the next shock. We had to realize that the people that did this were brilliant. It showed that the ego we could hold up until September 10 was inadequate." -- Norman Mailer

"Americans can't admit that you need courage to do such a thing. For that might be misunderstood. The key thing is that we in America are convinced that it was blind, mad fanatics who didn't know what they were doing. But what if those perpetrators were right and we were not? We have long ago lost the capability to take a calm look at the enormity of our enemy's position." -- Norman Mailer on 9/11

"Just so you know, we're ashamed that the president of the United States is from Texas." -- Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks at a concert in London

"I fear that our true motivation is about oil and our own flailing economy; about the failure to destroy Al Qaeda and about revenge. This war is wrong and this war is un-American." -- Dave Matthews

"Many families have been devastated tonight. This just is not right. They did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New York, DC, and the planes' destination of California--these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!" --Michael Moore, Michaelmoore.com, September 12

"I like America to some extent." -- Michael Moore

"The motivation for war is simple. The U.S. government started the war with Iraq in order to make it easy for U.S. corporations to do business in other countries. They intend to use cheap labor in those countries, which will make Americans rich. The U.S. government claims to bring democracy to Iraq; however, no country in the world takes such an assertion seriously. It is an illusion." -- Michael Moore

"(T)he passengers were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes." -- Michael Moore on Flight 93

"Since 9-11, more people have died in Afghanistan and Iraq than in New York that day — and for not a very good reason." -- Viggo Mortensen from Lord of the Rings

"I think that people like the Howard Sterns, the Bill O'Reillys and to a lesser degree the bin Ladens of the world are making a horrible contribution." -- Sean Penn

"Don’t you want to know what’s real and what’s not? I remember when I was a kid, you know, this whole Cold War thing. They had us scared of the Russians. 'The Russians, the Russians, the Russians.' So it’s almost like what’s real and what’s not?” -- Queen Latifah

"I just think we are a little bit of an arrogant nation and maybe this is a little bit of a humbling experience ... what has our government done to provoke (9/11) that we don't know about?" -- Backstreet Boy Kevin Richardson

"In this time when a citizenry applauds the liberation of a country as it lives in fear of its own freedom...when people all over the country fear reprisal if they use their right to free speech, it is time to get angry. It is time to get fierce." -- Tim Robbins

"How will the bombing of Baghdad, a city of five million, accomplish a regime change?" -- Susan Sarandon

"I think that we see war as a virtual thing and we even get to believe that bombs fall on top of cardboard cutouts and stuff like that. They don't. They kill real people, real children, real mothers and millions of innocent people." -- Shakira

"I just feel that there are always pacifist solutions, and I think that the leaders know the exit to the conflict, it's just that sometimes they don't want to use them. They just want to continue playing their little game of power. And I feel that us people have the responsibility and also the obligation to demand to our leaders to give us the pacifist solutions. To give us a world in peace." -- Shakira

"They control culture. They control ideas. And I think the revolt of September 11th was about ‘F-- you! F-- your order." -- Oliver Stone on American corporations

"A Republican/Conservative candidate trying with fading hopes to unseat respected Democratic Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy made a last-ditch effort to win headlines by devising ads in which she blatantly misquoted Barbra Streisand, fabricating outrageous quotes and completely misrepresenting Ms. Streisand's deep opposition to the Iranian dictator, Saddam Hussein." -- From Barbra Streisand's homepage

"We have a president for whom English is a second language. He's like 'We have to get rid of dictators,' but he's pretty much one himself." -- Robin Williams

Enjoy ;-)
wkelly91
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar

Posts: 2796
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Looking over your shoulder as you type.

Postby Transmogrifier » Fri Jun 04, 2004 9:51 am

WKelly, I find it interesting that you consider movie stars, actors, etc. "reputable." I don't. They are famous largely because of physical apperance, and, in some cases, because they can act or sing (not in most of the people you listed, though ;-) ).

I have no respect for any of their opinions.

The only one that has some substance, perhaps, is Bono, who truly has devoted himself to the AIDS issue, and George Bush even said that he was quite well-read on the subject.
I'm back. Sorta.

Do not boo Johnny.
Transmogrifier
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Fantasy ExpertCafe RankerMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyeSweet 16 Survivor
Posts: 7181
Joined: 17 Apr 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: No taxation without Representation!

Postby wkelly91 » Fri Jun 04, 2004 10:25 am

Transmogrifier wrote:WKelly, I find it interesting that you consider movie stars, actors, etc. "reputable." I don't.


I agree with you, I do not consider them reputable. But, many people across this country do look to "Public figures" for their opinions. And sadly they do effect many peoples opinions. :~(
wkelly91
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar

Posts: 2796
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Looking over your shoulder as you type.

Postby acsguitar » Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:15 pm

Ahh about Hitler and Bush first....My comparisson was to be a warning of what this can turn into...I know 9-10 people don't agree with me but thats ok....

Also, I am not sitting here at my computer looking of statistics while we chat...So any wrong statistics are my bad....however...whatever I am saying I believe I could back up if I did some more research....That is to say im not trying to speak out of my arse....

About celebrities speaking up against issues:

I praise them. Why? Because as an American citizens it is almost impossible to get your opinion heard/ and make an impression without a good amount of money or exposure...If you or I want to Bash Bush/Clinton/anyone we have little impact. I believe the celebrities are doing a good thing in that they realize that they can make a difference for their cause....yes they may be dumb (80%), but their are the 20% that are pretty smart. My guess is the ugly they are the smarter they are! hahah sorry anyways...I'm tired of this post I don't think anyones opinion about anything has been changed.....However, If i was a celebrity and I had strong political views I would express them, like Stern does, to the maximum capacity...its a shame this country runs like that but until there are changes to be made either on the Rep. or Dem. side of the isle the little man is always going to be muted....Maybee this is why I am a democrat...I feel the Republicans aren't looking out for the little ma at all...Listen both sides can screw up their presidency....personally i am always against war....and also I don't believe we need to stick our nose in another countries business...I know that many people equate IRAQ to our business and thats fine...but I don't at all...and thats fine too...If the republicans can bring in a good president who is well liked by the world, a la clinton, thats fine. Seriously if McCain was running for the Republicans I'd probably consider voting for him depending on some of his stances on issues...

One more thing....Democracy is great but doesn't our system kind of stink?

I mean we have 1 main guy who is from 1 side of the coin...Shouldn't we have 2 main guys one from each side....Also, I do believe a popular vote should be used to determine key issues...

Anyways I am extremely interested in how the Internet is going to change democracy.

I mean look at how this page has enabled us to exchange so many varied viewpoints and opinions. Mostly in a pretty fair and balanced way. There isn'tmuch name calling which is more then we can say about the people actually in office...

I'm thinking in 15 years all votes will be done on the internet and debates will be done on chat rooms and message boards that will actually influence politics....I think it would be pretty cool and more of a democracy...

One last thing

A good Defense is the best Offense ;-D

Go Yankees ;-D

Oh yea I traded Tejada for Keith Foulke!! Is he ever gonna get another save? !+)
acsguitar
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Graphics Expert
Posts: 26722
Joined: 7 Apr 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Back in General Talk WOOO!!!

Postby wkelly91 » Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:54 pm

acsguitar wrote:One more thing....Democracy is great but doesn't our system kind of stink?

There are some problems but it is still the best in the world
;-D

Also, I do believe a popular vote should be used to determine key issues...

I don't agree. We have a representative republic to keep mob rule from creating disasterous consequences. Our form of government puts the brakes on mob rule.

Oh yea I traded Tejada for Keith Foulke!! Is he ever gonna get another save? !+)


Foulke is pissing me off too! :-[
wkelly91
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar

Posts: 2796
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Looking over your shoulder as you type.

Postby acsguitar » Sun Jun 06, 2004 3:41 pm

Kerry is pulling towards the tie in the poll 19-20 come on you Nadar lovers...I like him too but its not worth voting for him!!! Vote Kerry!


KEITH FOULKE WATCH:

STILL NO SAVES FOR ME!!!!!!

TEJADA WATCH AFTER I TRADED HIM FOR FOULKE:
11 RBIS 3 hrs
acsguitar
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Graphics Expert
Posts: 26722
Joined: 7 Apr 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Back in General Talk WOOO!!!

Postby wkelly91 » Sun Jun 06, 2004 3:46 pm

[quote="acsguitar"]Kerry is pulling towards the tie in the poll 19-20 come on you Nadar lovers...I like him too but its not worth voting for him!!! Vote Kerry![quote="acsguitar"]


I think I see some hanging electrons on those Kerry votes! :-b
wkelly91
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar

Posts: 2796
Joined: 10 Jan 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Looking over your shoulder as you type.

Postby acsguitar » Tue Jun 08, 2004 12:40 pm

Stupid Nadar!! He's screwing it all up! Foulke got a save !!!!
acsguitar
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
Graphics Expert
Posts: 26722
Joined: 7 Apr 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Back in General Talk WOOO!!!

Previous

Return to General Talk

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: unioreimi and 6 guests

Forums Articles & Tips Sleepers Rankings Leagues


Today's Games
Monday, Sep. 22
(All times are EST, weather icons show forecast for game time)

Kansas City at Cleveland
(7:05 pm)
Baltimore at NY Yankees
(7:05 pm)
Seattle at Toronto
(7:07 pm)
Chi White Sox at Detroit
(7:08 pm)
Pittsburgh at Atlanta
(7:10 pm)
St. Louis at Chi Cubs
(8:05 pm)
Houston at Texas
(8:05 pm)

Sunday, Aug. 31

Cleveland at Cody
(8:07 pm)
indoors

Monday, Sep. 22

Arizona at Minnesota
(8:10 pm)
LA Angels at Oakland
(10:05 pm)
San Francisco at LA Dodgers
(10:10 pm)
Colorado at San Diego
(10:10 pm)

  • Fantasy Baseball
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact