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Postby Guest » Fri Jun 21, 2002 1:28 pm

Hello,

I'm currently 2nd in a 4x4 10 team league. I have a strong pitching staff and my batting is weaker.

I'm currently 2nd in RBI's and HR's, but 5th and 10th in SB and Avg.

I'm looking to trade a relief pitcher and a batter for a bigger batter, but need some advice.
Here is my lineup:

Marrero, Eli STL C
Pudge BAL C
Bagwell, Jeff HOU 1B
Vina STL 2B
Chavez, Eric OAK 3B
Arod TEX SS
Kearns, Austin CIN OF
Anderson, Garret ANA OF
Finley ARZ OF
Guerrero, Vladimir MON OF
Salmon, Tim ANA OF
David Eckstein ANI Utility
Hinske, Eric TOR Utility

IR:
Spivey, Junior ARI 2B
Gordon, Tom


Pitching (Currently 5th in ERA, 2th in K's. 6th in Saves, 1st in Wins)

Glavine, Tom ATL P
Halladay TOR P
Julio, Jorge BAL P
Escobar TOR P
Johnson, Randy ARI P
Prior, Mark CHC P
Wickman, Bob CLE P
Perez, Odalis LA P
Padilla, Vicente PHI P

The team that I am targeting for a trade is currently last out of 10 teams. They have a stronger batting staff than pitching. Here is there lineup:

Hall, Toby TB C
Duca, Paul Lo LA C
Sweeney, Mike KC 1B
Ortiz, Jose COL 2B
Cirillo, Jeff SEA 3B
Larkin, Barry CIN SS
Damon, Johnny BOS OF
Knoblauch, Chuck KC OF
Wilson, Preston FLA OF
Jones, Chipper ATL OF
Klesko, Ryan SD OF
Drew, J.D. STL U
Batista, Tony BAL U

Garcia, Freddy
Karsay, Steve
Wood, Kerry
Williams, Woody
Yan, Esteban
Millwood, Kevin
Alfonseca, Antonio
Strickland, Scott
Rusch, Glendon

I was thinking about offering a couple of deals but can't choose which one.

1st offer:

Escobar and Finley for Chipper Jones

or 2nd offer:

Glavine and Eckstein for Damon and Jones
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Postby Arlo » Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:59 pm

Both are probably decent for you, but the second migth give you more of than you can use. Just thinking out loud (typing out loud? :-> ): maybe Glavine + Finley for Wood + Chipper might work?

Hmm...
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Postby Guest » Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:31 am

Well, I offered Halladay and Heinske for Chipper and Damon. What do you think?
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Postby AirTimid » Mon Jun 24, 2002 12:06 pm

Can't see they guy even considering this deal. Damon has been great, and Chipper looks to be catching fire. Conversely, Halladay has been superb, but his team sucks, so he'll have less W opportunities. Hinske has been fantastic as a rookie, but he's still a rookie and isn't in the same league as Chipper or Damon.
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Postby tallmike » Mon Jun 24, 2002 12:55 pm

have to agree with airtimid here. I'd shake my head if you offered me that.

Chipper may not have been outstanding but he is almost 50 points higher in average and hotter. Also consider he's likely to stay ahead in rbi's as the Jays will get worse before they get better if they can move any of the guys being discussed. Damon is having a great year but not unprecendented. You're asking the other guy to give up two guys hitting .330.

I'd expect Hinske to cool off and Halladay has been good/great but not sure he makes up the difference on the guys you've asked for. Another Jay may mean wins are harder to come by if offence and relief traded away as rumoured.

Hard to see where he puts Hinske if he gets him too. He's short an outfielder with Chucky out (maybe with him in too :-D ) so tough to give up two more with none in return. You have the flexibility that he doesn't.

Expect you'll have to sweeten the pot.
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Postby Guest » Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:54 pm

If you think its such an uneven trade, what would you suggest? My lineup is in the first post. I already have Glavine lined up in another deal so he's out until the guy either accepts or rejects. If he rejects, then I can include Glavine and someone else. What would be a fair deal to get Jones?
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Postby AirTimid » Mon Jun 24, 2002 3:05 pm

Maybe Glavine straight up for Jones? Glavine is at a high now, since he's basically the best pitcher in the NL at this point. His ERA and Whip are miniscue and he has a fair number of wins, plus he plays on a contending team. I wouldn't expect Glavine to perform like this all season since he's been solid, but hittable the previous couple of years. He is in a contract year though..... If the guy you're trading with thinks Glavine will be continue to be special this year, then the trade would be pretty fair. If not, I guess you could sweeten the deal with a player you don't mind losing. Anyways, it looks like Chipper is heating up, so i'd probably get a deal done soon if I were you.
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Postby Arlo » Mon Jun 24, 2002 5:24 pm

AirTimid and tallmike are right on the mark here. If you offer Glavine for Jones, you might also consider adding Hinske to the deal; maybe you could even get Alfonseca in return, considering the great uncertainty surrounding him?
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Postby Guest » Mon Jun 24, 2002 5:47 pm

Do you really think I need Chipper? Here is my outfield:

Sanchez, Alex
Anderson, Garret ANA OF
Finley ARZ OF
Guerrero, Vladimir MON OF
Salmon, Tim ANA OF

I just dropped Kearns, but now he looks like he might get called up again. Should I pick him up? Is he better than Sanchez, Finley or Salmon?

I'm in a 10 team 4x4 league and currently 2nd.

9th in BA
2nd in HR
2nd in RBI
5th in SB
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Postby Arlo » Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:21 pm

If it's a non-keeper league, I'd keep Kearns at the bottom of your list for now, unless Sanchez winds up in the doghouse again. Wait until he's guaranteed a full-time job in the majors, and then take another look at him. He has huge potential, perhaps even more than Dunn, but it may be a year too early for him.
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