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Postby Kwaziwampo » Mon May 24, 2004 1:12 am

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Postby Amazinz » Mon May 24, 2004 2:11 am

Transmogrifier wrote:I assume you're being sarcastic, but just to clarify: There are no clutch players--cite all the subjective analysis that you like, but the numbers prove otherwise--and Derek Jeter certainly isn't clutch.

I don't buy into the clutch hitter either (although the clutch hit does exist) and was just having some fun with this thread. But just to play Devil's Advocate there are almost as many holes in all of the "clutch hitters don't exist" studies as there "clutch hitter's exist" theories. They all spin the data to prove their point.
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Postby Bukoski77 » Mon May 24, 2004 2:23 am

I'll stay neutraly diplomatic on the clutch=reality or not debate...................

Hypotheticaly, If I had to concede that "clutch" did exist..............

My vote would go to Nomar.

I'm and A's fan so naturaly most Spankee and Chowder head fans annoy me on an equaly frustrateing level.

Reaching back several years though, one of Nomar's early years in the Bigs when he got the MVP after being snubbed for the all-star game, he finished the year with 8 or 9 game tyeing or winning 8th/9th inning HR's.

That one sticks out big to me.
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Postby assron » Mon May 24, 2004 2:48 am

alou is clutch cuz he pees on his hands daily. if that ain't clutch, tell me what is. ;-)
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Postby HOOTIE » Fri May 28, 2004 10:19 pm

LBJackal wrote:I believe in clutch (Don't hit me HOOTIE) but I also don't respect clutch players, ie: Kobe. It's not as rampant as most people say it is, but I believe there are players who perform better when they have pressure on them.


LBJ nah, you are safe lol.

Clutch exists, but only in small fragments. We could say Alous hr was a clutch hit. But over extended time, clutch does not exist, meaning there really isn't clutch players. Given enough chances, Alou will succeed and fail about the same in ANY scenerio. No sabermetric study yet has found clutch exists. If those clutch believers can show me proof clutch exists, i will gladly listen.

The best hitter in a given scenerio is easy, Bonds. He's the best hitter.

Man, Jeter has been clutch this year. Wasn't he 0-28? Oh, thats right, clutch believers NEVER look at the anti-clutch moments. They are still busy watching Jeters 20 foot toss to Posada to nail Posada.
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Postby DK » Fri May 28, 2004 10:42 pm

Not clutch again... :~(
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Postby Capnpitz » Fri May 28, 2004 11:22 pm

I'm trying to figure out the etymology of this usage of "clutch." I mean I'm pretty sure it has to go with "coming through in the clutch," but where does that come from? Like being in the "clutches" of some evil fate? Or like a clutch of eggs?

Maybe it comes from Richie "Clutch" Clutcherson, who hit .530 with men on base in the ninth inning from 1909-1920.

I made that up.
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Postby HOOTIE » Sat May 29, 2004 1:22 am

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/s ... pe=batting


Just a quick glance at Alou's last 3 years (01-03), show he's about the same, if not a bit worse with risp, and close and late.

Overall OPS is 843

With RISP it's 811

Close & Late it's 767
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Postby Amazinz » Sat May 29, 2004 1:30 am

Capnpitz wrote:I'm trying to figure out the etymology of this usage of "clutch." I mean I'm pretty sure it has to go with "coming through in the clutch," but where does that come from?

Just a guess but clutch also means to seize so it probably was slang for seizing an opportunity.
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