Transmogrifier wrote:I assume you're being sarcastic, but just to clarify: There are no clutch players--cite all the subjective analysis that you like, but the numbers prove otherwise--and Derek Jeter certainly isn't clutch.
I don't buy into the clutch hitter either (although the clutch hit does exist) and was just having some fun with this thread. But just to play Devil's Advocate there are almost as many holes in all of the "clutch hitters don't exist" studies as there "clutch hitter's exist" theories. They all spin the data to prove their point.
Maine has a good swing for a pitcher but on anything that moves, he has no chance. And if it's a fastball, it has to be up in the zone. Basically, the pitcher has to hit his bat. - Mike Pelfrey
I'll stay neutraly diplomatic on the clutch=reality or not debate...................
Hypotheticaly, If I had to concede that "clutch" did exist..............
My vote would go to Nomar.
I'm and A's fan so naturaly most Spankee and Chowder head fans annoy me on an equaly frustrateing level.
Reaching back several years though, one of Nomar's early years in the Bigs when he got the MVP after being snubbed for the all-star game, he finished the year with 8 or 9 game tyeing or winning 8th/9th inning HR's.
That one sticks out big to me.
"Son we would like to keep you around here but were trying to win a pennant this year."
LBJackal wrote:I believe in clutch (Don't hit me HOOTIE) but I also don't respect clutch players, ie: Kobe. It's not as rampant as most people say it is, but I believe there are players who perform better when they have pressure on them.
LBJ nah, you are safe lol.
Clutch exists, but only in small fragments. We could say Alous hr was a clutch hit. But over extended time, clutch does not exist, meaning there really isn't clutch players. Given enough chances, Alou will succeed and fail about the same in ANY scenerio. No sabermetric study yet has found clutch exists. If those clutch believers can show me proof clutch exists, i will gladly listen.
The best hitter in a given scenerio is easy, Bonds. He's the best hitter.
Man, Jeter has been clutch this year. Wasn't he 0-28? Oh, thats right, clutch believers NEVER look at the anti-clutch moments. They are still busy watching Jeters 20 foot toss to Posada to nail Posada.
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I'm trying to figure out the etymology of this usage of "clutch." I mean I'm pretty sure it has to go with "coming through in the clutch," but where does that come from? Like being in the "clutches" of some evil fate? Or like a clutch of eggs?
Maybe it comes from Richie "Clutch" Clutcherson, who hit .530 with men on base in the ninth inning from 1909-1920.