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Postby jbones733 » Tue May 18, 2004 10:50 pm

Im torn too, my league counts CG SO m, but i do like Schmidts arm ,

well he just pitched a 1 hitter, Congrats J Schmidt ;-D
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Postby Jack-In-A-Box » Tue May 18, 2004 10:51 pm

Dusty is over there like.. That's my boy. 142pitches in the CGSO. Yikes! Wow.. the games being thrown tonight are amazing. Perfect game, 1Hit 13k SO by Schmidt. Fun night! :-D
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Postby Transmogrifier » Tue May 18, 2004 11:17 pm

142 pitches? 8-o

And he had offseason surgery right?

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Postby Lofunzo » Tue May 18, 2004 11:20 pm

It must be something in the Chicago air. ;-)
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Postby Transmogrifier » Wed May 19, 2004 8:02 am

What's the over/under until we here Schmidt is done for the year?
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Postby d18Mike » Wed May 19, 2004 9:14 am

As Black Jack McDowell said earlier this year -- pitch counts are a crap statistic. Sometimes you feel great. Other times you don't. Pitchers know how they feel and it has little to do with a someone upstairs with an abacus.

A lot of the studs of Schmidt's caliber comnmonly threw 110-plus pitches a game for nearly 20 years with few injuries and posted glorious records.

I have Schmidt and I can't think of a starter I'd trade him for.
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Postby Transmogrifier » Wed May 19, 2004 9:27 am

d18Mike wrote:As Black Jack McDowell said earlier this year -- pitch counts are a crap statistic. Sometimes you feel great. Other times you don't. Pitchers know how they feel and it has little to do with a someone upstairs with an abacus.

A lot of the studs of Schmidt's caliber comnmonly threw 110-plus pitches a game for nearly 20 years with few injuries and posted glorious records.

I have Schmidt and I can't think of a starter I'd trade him for.


I've heard this argument so many times, it's getting tiring. "Starting pitchers used to go X number of innings ..." True, and while conditioning has improved, pitchers are conditioned to pitch seven or eight innings. In the past, they were supposed to pitch the whole game.

Today's pitchers do not throw 142.

We're not talking about 115, not 120, 130 or even 140. This is a 142 pitches.

Do you seriously think a Schmidt coming off an offseason injury, who just threw 142 pitches is the best pitcher in the game (fantasy wise)?
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Postby Jester » Wed May 19, 2004 9:38 am

So what are you sugesting? Trade him while the value is high, keep him because he CAN throw 142 pitches this early after the injury offseason?

As a Schmidt owner in most of my leagues...this is a big deal for me.
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Postby Transmogrifier » Wed May 19, 2004 9:53 am

I wouldn't dump him. Nor would I trade him for a lowball offer.

But if you can get another pitcher that is really good--say a Halladay or someone like him--from someone who thinks Schmidt is healthy, than I say do it.

Those 142 pitches really worry me. A guy who has offseason elbow surgery and right shoulder tendinitis to start the year should not be throwing 142 pitches a month a half into the season.

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Postby warrick95 » Wed May 19, 2004 9:56 am

Jason Schmidt - S - Giants May. 19 - 12:25 am et


Jason Schmidt threw 144 pitches while striking out 13 in a one-hit shutout of the Cubs tonight.
Trade him. Schmidt has averaged 130 pitches over his last three outings. This after he underwent offseason elbow surgery and missed most of the spring with a sore shoulder. We haven't been this concerned about the overuse of a pitcher since A.J. Burnett in 2002. Maybe Schmidt will defy the odds and stay off the DL, but if you can get equal return in exchange for him, you should go for it.


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It's not just this outing...I said on another thread, trade him. But, like the others said, get a good offer, don't just trade him to trade him.
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