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Re: Tragically misguided

Postby Madvillain » Sun May 16, 2004 3:32 am

AdvRider wrote:
I live in S.f. The reason Bonds is having difficulty is because the CHEAP owner MAGOWAN (backstabber!) invested in the likes Of Jeffrey Hammonds & Dustin Mohr. Puh-leeeeeze !!


I also live in SF, if that's supposed to mean something. The Giants have the ninth highest payroll in the game. I would love it if they could raise it more, but you seriously can't call Magowan cheap when they are in the top 33% in payroll. Think about ALL the fans whose crying would be more justified than yours. And they have a $25M mortgage.

Sabean is overrated though.
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Postby matmat » Sun May 16, 2004 5:11 am

wrveres wrote:
nmarq8 wrote:if people are gonna compare barry to ruth and mays he should act in a manner of that standard.


so Barry should cheat on his wife, and get drunk almost every night like the Babe?

Yeah, I imagine the modern press would let him get away with that .. ;-7


I was just going to say something to that extent :)
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Postby nmarq8 » Sun May 16, 2004 5:28 am

BobbyRoberto: you're right, i'm not there. but it seems a little too coincidental that he gets "back spasms" amidst the worst slump of his career and when his team can't buy a win. again, i have no problem with him doing poorly right now, it's normal for everyone to go through things like this, but he's acting like a primadonna. he's made it clear though that he's very frustrated with his team's performance, and back spasms seem like an easy way out. oh yeah, and comparing him to pujols and a-rod... come on, pujols is a chronic slow starter and we all know how a-rod has had trouble dealing with the transition to the bronx.

wrveres: ...good one. if i was trying to make light of these player's offseason antics, i'd say it. i was obviously talking about how mays and ruth would never cry like the little baby that bonds is when their teams aren't doing too hot and fake injuries. and what's so bad with the babe getting drunk every night. let his #'s speak for themself. at least he played in his games. maybe that's what bonds needs, but he probably knows the mixture of alcohol and potency of steroids in his system might kill him. or at least balco has told him that.
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Postby matmat » Sun May 16, 2004 6:12 am

nmarq8 wrote:BobbyRoberto: you're right, i'm not there. but it seems a little too coincidental that he gets "back spasms" amidst the worst slump of his career and when his team can't buy a win. again, i have no problem with him doing poorly right now, it's normal for everyone to go through things like this, but he's acting like a primadonna. he's made it clear though that he's very frustrated with his team's performance, and back spasms seem like an easy way out. oh yeah, and comparing him to pujols and a-rod... come on, pujols is a chronic slow starter and we all know how a-rod has had trouble dealing with the transition to the bronx.

wrveres: ...good one. if i was trying to make light of these player's offseason antics, i'd say it. i was obviously talking about how mays and ruth would never cry like the little baby that bonds is when their teams aren't doing too hot and fake injuries. and what's so bad with the babe getting drunk every night. let his #'s speak for themself. at least he played in his games. maybe that's what bonds needs, but he probably knows the mixture of alcohol and potency of steroids in his system might kill him. or at least balco has told him that.


i think this was mentioned before, but didn't ruth basically play though hangovers?

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Postby hybrid » Sun May 16, 2004 6:14 am

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CubsFan7724 wrote:If barry bonds wouldnt have been walked 200 times the past 2 years, he prolly would have hit 60 homers in each of those years. Thats why the homerun total came back down to earth. Just as a disclaimer I believe Bonds took steroids so take my opinion with a grain of salt.


2000: AB's - 480 HR's - 49
2001: AB's - 476 HR's - 73
2002: AB's - 403 HR's - 46
2003: AB's - 390 HR's - 45

well he had 4 less at bats in 2001 but had 24 more hr's. in 2002-2003 he only had 70 to 80 less at bats but 27 and 28 less hr's. to me that doesn't support your theory of the reason he didn't have monster years was less at bats. he only had about 80 less at bats.


73 at bats and 86 at bats seems enough for Barry Bonds to hit 20 more homers a season


look at the pace he was at in those years. basically 11 hr's every 100 at bats. so at that pace he wouldn't of hit 10 more in 70 to 80 so at bats. the only time he had a better hr/per AB ratio was...you guessed it the big hr year.
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Postby thetruth » Sun May 16, 2004 6:55 am

this thread is a brutality.
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Re: Tragically misguided

Postby eftda » Sun May 16, 2004 12:31 pm

Madvillain wrote:
AdvRider wrote:
I live in S.f. The reason Bonds is having difficulty is because the CHEAP owner MAGOWAN (backstabber!) invested in the likes Of Jeffrey Hammonds & Dustin Mohr. Puh-leeeeeze !!


I also live in SF, if that's supposed to mean something. The Giants have the ninth highest payroll in the game. I would love it if they could raise it more, but you seriously can't call Magowan cheap when they are in the top 33% in payroll. Think about ALL the fans whose crying would be more justified than yours. And they have a $25M mortgage.

Sabean is overrated though.



Sabean is no overrated.. he made the Giants who they are. (Remember the Giants have not had a losing season since he beacme the SF GM).

as for he payroll: The Giants got the 2nd most amount of money last year (2nd to the Yankees) and their owner put it in his pockett. The Giants and Yankees are set up the same wasy, they have 10 owners but the difference is, is that the Yankees invest the money back into the team and the Giants keep the money.
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Postby BobbyRoberto » Sun May 16, 2004 1:00 pm

Giambi is out today with "back spasms," he must be a prima donna, in the middle of a slump, a crybaby, etc....
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Re: Tragically misguided

Postby Amazinz » Sun May 16, 2004 1:23 pm

eftda wrote:as for he payroll: The Giants got the 2nd most amount of money last year (2nd to the Yankees) and their owner put it in his pockett. The Giants and Yankees are set up the same wasy, they have 10 owners but the difference is, is that the Yankees invest the money back into the team and the Giants keep the money.

Unless you're like Boras :-D and don't believe the published reports, SF was 7th in team revenue. They brought in $153M and they spent (between payroll and operating costs) $152.3M. Leaving them with $0.7M.

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Postby PacBellParker » Sun May 16, 2004 1:44 pm

The problem is that the Giants are still funding their own stadium. That puts a big drain on revenues.

Also, the Alfonso contract was a huge blunder. And the Giants are paying loads of cash to Nen, who is not contributing. Ths is where all the money goes -- not into Macgowan's pocket.

As for the original poster's complaints about Bonds, come on -- he's a Dodgers fan, what do you expect? The last time the Dodgers were a good team (remember way back when?), I used to absolutely and irrationally hate Piazza, the Dodgers poster boy. What I don't understand is why a Dodgers fan would draft Bonds (or if auto-drafted why he wasn't traded immediately). Clearly, it causes him pain to have Bonds on his roster, even when Bonds is tearing it up.
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