I went with Clemens by a nose over Johnson. It would have been interesting to see what Clemens could have done in a more pitcher-friendly ballpark, like that which the Train had. Tough choice, though.
Pogotheostrich wrote:I'd take Gibson and Maddux over Kid Nichols.
I guess I could see not ranking Nichols real high, especially if you didn't have a ton of faith in the pre-modern era pitchers. If you dropped Young, Brown, and Nichols who all played a large amount of their careers before the turn of the century off the list there are still 10 left. Who comes off next?
And these are just the near no-doubters that outperformed Gibson. There are still a ton of guys who are right at the same level as Gibson but not fairly obviously better. Spahn, Feller, Carlton, Hubbell, Palmer, Walsh, Roberts, Marichal, and Dean are all right in that same class as Gibson.
Tavish wrote:There are still a ton of guys who are right at the same level as Gibson but not fairly obviously better. Spahn, Feller, Carlton, Hubbell, Palmer, Walsh, Roberts, Marichal, and Dean are all right in that same class as Gibson.
After the top 10-15 it gets kinda murky. I would probably put aound 20. And that is if im not including the Negor Leaguers. He drops down another 3-5 spots if you include guys like Satchel Paige, Smokey Joe Williams, and Martin Dihigo.
I still go with Walter Johnson, but Greg Maddux seems like a better choice to me now than he did when i first read this thread.
"I do not think baseball of today is any better than it was 30 years ago... I still think Radbourne is the greatest of the pitchers." John Sullivan 1914-Old athletes never change.