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by **bronxxbomber** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:44 am

I want to vote Clemens, but I can't vote against Gibson.

by **Dr. Duran Duran** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:37 pm

Clemens got my vote.

by **Tavish** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:50 pm

bronxxbomber wrote:I want to vote Clemens, but I can't vote against Gibson.

Gibson gets my vote for a spot on the All-Time Overrated team. Ryan is the ace of the staff, but Gibson should have no problem being a middle of the rotation guy.

by **thedude** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:46 pm

Tavish wrote:
bronxxbomber wrote:I want to vote Clemens, but I can't vote against Gibson.

Gibson gets my vote for a spot on the All-Time Overrated team. Ryan is the ace of the staff, but Gibson should have no problem being a middle of the rotation guy.

I completely agree.

I can't stand it when Ryan is called one of the greatest pitchers of all time (or, gasp, THE GREATEST PITCHER).

by **thedude** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:41 pm

acsguitar wrote:I go with Clemens cause I don't vote for ancient players

I respect a vote for clemens, but how can you say you don't vote for anciet players?

What if we had a poll or greatest hitters? Or even greatest fielders? Wouldn't you vote for Ruth?

by **Pogotheostrich** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:31 am

Tavish wrote:
bronxxbomber wrote:I want to vote Clemens, but I can't vote against Gibson.

Gibson gets my vote for a spot on the All-Time Overrated team. Ryan is the ace of the staff, but Gibson should have no problem being a middle of the rotation guy.

Any specific reason why Tav? Gibson is at least in top 20 SP of all time in my book.

by **Tavish** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:20 am

Pogotheostrich wrote:
Tavish wrote:
bronxxbomber wrote:I want to vote Clemens, but I can't vote against Gibson.

Gibson gets my vote for a spot on the All-Time Overrated team. Ryan is the ace of the staff, but Gibson should have no problem being a middle of the rotation guy.
Any specific reason why Tav? Gibson is at least in top 20 SP of all time in my book.

Thats pretty close to where I have him ranked (around 20) but there are a great number of people who have him top 10 or even top 5 All-Time.

by **Pogotheostrich** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:24 am

Top 10 I could see top 5 seems like a stretch but people tend to overemphasize K's and post-season success.

by **Tavish** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:47 am

Pogotheostrich wrote:Top 10 I could see top 5 seems like a stretch but people tend to overemphasize K's and post-season success.

I don't really see anyway he makes the top 10. Which is he better than?

Walter Johnson
Lefty Grove
Pete Alexander
Christy Mathewson
Tom Seaver
Greg Maddux
Pedro Martinez
Roger Clemens
Randy Johnson
Sandy Koufax
Mordecai Brown
Cy Young
Kid Nichols

by **Pogotheostrich** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 11:03 am

I'd take Gibson and Maddux over Kid Nichols.

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