I also agree that Ryan should be on this list. He did walk alot of people, but the last 9 years of his career he didn't walk over 100 while pitching close to 200 innings. If we are talking about being dominant than I understand why he's not on the list, but he was extremely good for an extremely long time. He evolved as his arm weakened, and changed his approach to pitching. He may not be the greatest, but he has to be mentioned. I look at him and Aaron in the same light. They may not have been the most dominant, but they were the best, and most consistent.
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I also agree that Ryan should be on this list. He did walk alot of people, but the last 9 years of his career he didn't walk over 100 while pitching close to 200 innings. If we are talking about being dominant than I understand why he's not on the list, but he was extremely good for an extremely long time. He evolved as his arm weakened, and changed his approach to pitching. He may not be the greatest, but he has to be mentioned. I look at him and Aaron in the same light. They may not have been the most dominant, but they were the best, and most consistent.
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Leading the league in a major pitching category and throwing 7 no hitter just would convice me that he is a top tier all time pitcher.It also doesnt clear up the fact that you made an excuse for Johnson
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Los Angeles Cubs wrote:Leading the league in a major pitching category and throwing 7 no hitter just would convice me that he is a top tier all time pitcher.
i noted that he was a great pithcer but does that make him the greatest, no. Rickey Henderson has the most stolen bases by hundreds but is not considered the greatest ofplayer alltime. Lee Smith has the most saves off alltime, and isn't even in the hall of fame.
Los Angeles Cubs wrote:Leading the league in a major pitching category and throwing 7 no hitter just would convice me that he is a top tier all time pitcher.
i noted that he was a great pithcer but does that make him the greatest, no. Rickey Henderson has the most stolen bases by hundreds but is not considered the greatest ofplayer alltime.
I never said he was the greatest. I just think he is one of the best. And btw, to be Rickey Henderson is one of the best players of all time. Not the best but one of.
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la dodgers wrote:can u honestly tell me that if u were in game 7 of the WS ud rather have pedro over ryan or drysdale
(nothing at all against pedro i think hes the best pitcer in baseball and has been for the last few year)
In his prime, yes I would take him. Remember, he has a career 2.50 era in an offensive era. He's also going to probably become the most winningest pitcher in the history of the game.(Not wins, but win percentage)
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like i said nothing against him but pedro just doesnt have that intensity or fire that ryan and drysdale had i also dont think hes as good a pitcher as them but he doesnt have that same will to win
When I saw this poll, the first name that popped into my head before I even clicked on it was Walter Jhnson. So he got my vote.
Second of all, Nolan Ryan should not be on this list. Sure he had great longevity, but was never really "great". 9.5 career K/9 is good, but K's are over-valued in real life. WHIP is what matters, as well as ERA. Having lots of K's probably means you'll have a lower WHIP/ERA, but they don't help your team more than a groundout (unless that groundout advances a runner that ends up scoring, in which case ERA would be affected anyway). To me, if you consider K's in judging pitchers, you're counting them twice since you've already taken into account the lower ERA and WHIP a pitcher will have by getting all of those K's. If I really looked at the stats for the past 30 years or so, The Ryan Express probably wouldn't crack my top 25 righties. It probably wouldn't even be close. He could be dominant at times (the 7 no hitters attest to that), but overall, he wasn't anything special. An above-average ERA with a mediocre W/L record. That doesn't deserve to make the top 10 right-handed pitchers of all time.
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