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The Greatest Right-Handed Pitcher of ALLTIME?

Walter Johnson
22
38%
Pete Alexander
1
2%
Christy Mathewson
3
5%
Roger Clemens
13
22%
Pedro Martinez
6
10%
Greg Maddux
4
7%
Tom Seaver
4
7%
Bob Gibson
5
9%
 
Total votes : 58

Postby Los Angeles Cubs » Sun May 23, 2004 7:39 pm

7 no hitters and all time leader in strikeouts.
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Postby eftda » Sun May 23, 2004 8:40 pm

Los Angeles Cubs wrote:7 no hitters and all time leader in strikeouts.


lol, I guess thats not enough to be on this list.. :-b
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Postby Tavish » Sun May 23, 2004 11:30 pm

frog99 wrote:
if Nolan Ryan was so great, why did he never win a Cy Young in his 27 seasons?


Damn straight, we all know Pat Hentgen was a much better pitcher than Nolan Ryan.
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Postby LCBOY » Mon May 24, 2004 8:35 pm

frog99 wrote:
LCBOY wrote:There is one thing missing here. Pedro has yet to enter his decline phase of his career. Once he does enter this phase of his career, his traditional numbers and his saber-numbers will decline.


like how Randy Johnson's Roger Clemen's numbers have declined?


Yes, Their numbers will decline. Johnson's perfecto, notwithstanding, but he is not pitching at the same level of say 2002. Clemens has a hot start but we shall see if he can maintain it. Also, his years in NY were clearly NOT at the same level as his days in Boston or Toronto. His Cy Young Award in NY was a gift. He was not that best pitcher that year. Also, his durability has gone down. You notice that he doesn't throw many complete games anymore.

As for Pedro, he is not especially durable. He's never been known as a "workhorse" like Clemens and Johnson.
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Postby frog99 » Tue May 25, 2004 2:14 pm

Los Angeles Cubs wrote:7 no hitters and all time leader in strikeouts.



that was the problem with Ryan, the whole point of a pitcher is to keep men off base, and prevent runs from scoreing. Ryan didn't do that, he kept you from getting hits, but was willing to let you walk as long as you did not get a hit(by far the alltime leader in BB). That is why the 7 no -hitters, but zero perfect games. It is also the reason for the high (im using era+, since it is the only way to compare different generations) ERA, and low winning percentage.
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Postby Los Angeles Cubs » Tue May 25, 2004 7:58 pm

frog99 wrote:
Los Angeles Cubs wrote:7 no hitters and all time leader in strikeouts.



that was the problem with Ryan, the whole point of a pitcher is to keep men off base, and prevent runs from scoreing. Ryan didn't do that, he kept you from getting hits, but was willing to let you walk as long as you did not get a hit(by far the alltime leader in BB). That is why the 7 no -hitters, but zero perfect games. It is also the reason for the high (im using era+, since it is the only way to compare different generations) ERA, and low winning percentage.


I still think he was a dominating force out on the mound. Anyone who can strike out that many major leaguers is a true proffesional at what he does, not saying the other arent but I think he deserves mention.
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Postby wkelly91 » Tue May 25, 2004 8:39 pm

Los Angeles Cubs wrote:I still dont see why Nolan Ryan isnt in here.


Higher ERA
Higher Losses

And here is an interesting fact... Ryan has roughly 1000 more walks that Phil Neikro 8-o Phil Neikro was a knuckle-baller 8-o
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Postby Los Angeles Cubs » Tue May 25, 2004 9:40 pm

wkelly91 wrote:
Los Angeles Cubs wrote:I still dont see why Nolan Ryan isnt in here.


Higher ERA
Higher Losses

And here is an interesting fact... Ryan has roughly 1000 more walks that Phil Neikro 8-o Phil Neikro was a knuckle-baller 8-o


OK. Great. Lets make an excuse for him then that he was on weaker teams just like we did for Walter Johnson.
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Postby la dodgers » Wed May 26, 2004 12:17 am

DRYSDALE for sure and i think its immoral to not have ryan on this list so he had a few walkds big deal hes one of the greatest pitchers of all time and he was a great baseball player and he was tough as nails and u say well what does that have to do with pitching ALOT he had it all and u think he isnt one of the best pitchers cuz he walked a few guys BIG DEAL
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Postby LCBOY » Wed May 26, 2004 9:24 pm

la dodgers wrote:DRYSDALE for sure and i think its immoral to not have ryan on this list so he had a few walkds big deal hes one of the greatest pitchers of all time and he was a great baseball player and he was tough as nails and u say well what does that have to do with pitching ALOT he had it all and u think he isnt one of the best pitchers cuz he walked a few guys BIG DEAL


While Drysdale and Ryan were great pitchers, this thread is about the GREATEST pitchers, not just great. It's no insult to them to say that other pitchers were even greater than Drysdale and Ryan...
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