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by **foamposited** » Tue May 11, 2004 1:39 am

I think they just wanted to get Valverde some work in since he has pitched in a few days. I got shelled by Cameron's HR off Valverde but it was a non-save situation so I feel Valverde's job is safe.

by **thehat** » Tue May 11, 2004 2:41 am

What a bum Valverde is. Imagine getting torched for one entire run in his IP tonight. And he gave up a single as well! He should be waived immediately in all leagues.

The overreactions here are beyond amazing at times.

by **hybrid** » Tue May 11, 2004 2:49 am

thehat wrote:What a bum Valverde is. Imagine getting torched for one entire run in his IP tonight. And he gave up a single as well! He should be waived immediately in all leagues.

The overreactions here are beyond amazing at times.

speaking about overreactions.....

anyways i don't see how anything i said was an over reaction (i'm assuming you were mocking me). what i said was true, never said drop him or anything. but a run in a inning isn't good, especially since it's not like he has a tight hold on the job anyways. cameron was also struggling big time before he gave up the hr.

by **thehat** » Tue May 11, 2004 2:59 am

Hybrid...he came in with a five run lead to just throw the ball over the plate and get in some needed work. He gave up one run. It means NOTHING. His hold on the closer's job is vice-like at this point, as Mantei seems to be getting even worse, if that's possible. To me, even mentioning the fact that he gave up a completely meaningless run in a blowout setting is pretty hilarious.

by **hybrid** » Tue May 11, 2004 3:09 am

I agree w/ most of your points, but i haven't heard the manager say he is the closer for sure. Last I heard it was technically a temporary move, but there may have been more news since then. While Mantei hasn't look good, Valverde hasn't been stellar of late either. He has allowed a run in 3 of his last 6 outings. Also when you see people rush out to get Adams for the jays as a closer, you have to expect someone talking about a recently changed closer position giving up a run(s).

by **Transmogrifier** » Tue May 11, 2004 10:05 am

I would definitely not describe Valverde's hold on the closer job as "vice-like."

by **Randy Watson** » Tue May 11, 2004 10:55 am

Serving up fastballs down the heart of the plate and giving up a solo homer isn't a problem with a five run lead. However, there might be a problem if he had also walked the bases loaded, like Koch. That would show that he has no command and gets rattled easily. He shut the Mets down after those two hits.

Mantei is still a head case and it could take a while for him to get his confidence back (at least 3 solid outings in a row). Villareal just went on the DL. Valverde's job is safe for now despite giving up a HR last night.

by **Members Only Jackets** » Tue May 11, 2004 12:58 pm

Nothing like waking up, firing up the computer, logging on to yahoo andseeing a 9 spot ERA next to Valverde's name.

Another week of trying to overcome an early era/whip. Dammit!

by **slomo007** » Tue May 11, 2004 12:59 pm

One inning at 9 ERA won't kill your team. It's not really a big deal really.

by **Purple Haze** » Tue May 11, 2004 3:04 pm

hybrid wrote:i dunno, he gave up a hr and a single right after. then he got some bad hitters to swing. d'backs and white soxs save chances are an event in themselves.

Yep..Because the Devil Rays are a lock in the 9th!!!

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