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Postby ensanimal » Mon May 10, 2004 3:57 pm

i think you've all forgotten Kerry Wood. top tier for sure.
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Postby WhiteHot » Mon May 10, 2004 3:59 pm

ensanimal wrote:i think you've all forgotten Kerry Wood. top tier for sure.


No doubt.
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Postby Real Deal » Mon May 10, 2004 4:14 pm

i actually wrote down kerry wood's name first before any other pitcher, but then i thought he was too old and deleted it. but, you are right...born june 16, 1977.
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Postby Real Deal » Mon May 10, 2004 4:32 pm

i also forgot mark mulder --top tier

here is a list of a couple of guys who are hurt, but with potential:

aj burnett
Tony armas
Jesse Foppert

and few other guys worth mentioning:

Mark Buerhle, Jorge Julio, Joe Kennedy, Vincente Padilla, and Jerome Williams (Born in 1981--youngest on this post......peavy may 31, 1981 and Zambrano June 1, 1981)
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Postby Pedro » Mon May 10, 2004 4:47 pm

Dans wrote:And Beckett's in Tier 1. Would anyone rather have Zito over Beckett?


Yes. Beckett is good, but he's no where near Barry Zito.

I'd also take Kim out of the third tier and put Eaton and Horacio Ramirez in. HoRam is pitching good this year, he has a 2.75 ERA and 0 wins, all because of terrible run support and luck.
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Postby slomo007 » Mon May 10, 2004 4:50 pm

Pedro wrote:
Dans wrote:And Beckett's in Tier 1. Would anyone rather have Zito over Beckett?


Yes. Beckett is good, but he's no where near Barry Zito.

I'd also take Kim out of the third tier and put Eaton and Horacio Ramirez in. HoRam is pitching good this year, he has a 2.75 ERA and 0 wins, all because of terrible run support and luck.


Do you mean that Beckett is much better or much worse than Zito?? I personally think he's much much much better. IMO, Zito isn't close to Beckett. From a fantasy perspective, Beckett's Ks are priceless.
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Mon May 10, 2004 4:52 pm

Zambrano has gotta be pushing tier 1 this year. Look at his stats. He had one bad game against Arizona or else he would have an ERA under like 1.5 in 41.1 innings pitched he has 3 wins, 35 strikeouts, 2.18 ERA and a .99 (!!) WHIP. And hes only 23. Also Kerry Wood is top tier, hes only 26 (27 soon)
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Postby Pedro » Mon May 10, 2004 5:00 pm

slomo007 wrote:
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Dans wrote:And Beckett's in Tier 1. Would anyone rather have Zito over Beckett?


Yes. Beckett is good, but he's no where near Barry Zito.

I'd also take Kim out of the third tier and put Eaton and Horacio Ramirez in. HoRam is pitching good this year, he has a 2.75 ERA and 0 wins, all because of terrible run support and luck.


Do you mean that Beckett is much better or much worse than Zito?? I personally think he's much much much better. IMO, Zito isn't close to Beckett. From a fantasy perspective, Beckett's Ks are priceless.


I shouldn't even say anything but..

I shouldn't of said Beckett is much worse than Zito because he isn't, but he still isn't as good as Zito.

Beckett has an edge in Ks over Zito, but he is still as overhyped and overrated as you can get.

If you want to debate Beckett vs Zito with me, let's do it elsewhere, I don't want to derail this topic. ;-D
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Postby Real Deal » Mon May 10, 2004 11:31 pm

can i downgrade byung kim after tonights performance. i mean this guy must have an identical twin that is a great pitcher who shows up to pitch every now and then.
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Postby Registered_Guest » Tue May 11, 2004 12:30 am

Yeah, Kim's lost his rotation spot and might be demoted to the minors altogether. His velocity is way down.
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