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Postby Pedro » Sat May 08, 2004 8:32 pm

St. Louis?

They're offense is mediocre except for the middle of their line-up with Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen and Renteria, they don't have the strength up and down like the 'Stros and Yanks do.
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Postby WhiteHot » Sat May 08, 2004 8:36 pm

Pedro wrote:St. Louis?

They're offense is mediocre except for the middle of their line-up with Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen and Renteria, they don't have the strength up and down like the 'Stros and Yanks do.


So they're mediocre except for half their lineup?
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Postby ajgnydc722 » Sat May 08, 2004 8:38 pm

Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen, Renteria, Sanders is a pretty deadly 3-4-5-6-7 if you ask me. They are without a doubt top 4. It's a close call with them and Houston. Houston has a guy to get on base for their big hitters (Bagwell, Kent, Berkman, Hidalgo, Ensberg) which is Biggio and even Adam Everett at times. Houston may have the slight advantage if Ensberg starts hitting.
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Postby Pedro » Sat May 08, 2004 8:40 pm

WhiteHot wrote:
Pedro wrote:St. Louis?

They're offense is mediocre except for the middle of their line-up with Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen and Renteria, they don't have the strength up and down like the 'Stros and Yanks do.


So they're mediocre except for half their lineup?


That's right, a ton of teams are mediocre except half their line-up. Look at the Astros opponents tonight, the Braves. They have Furcal, Giles, Chipper, Drew and Druw, and then players like LaRoche, DeRosa and Johnny Estrada, what do you consider that?

There is a big difference between what the Cards have and what say Atlanta had last year, the Braves of '03 had zero holes in their line-up aside from the pitcher, which is why they were such a deadly offensive team.
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Postby matmat » Sat May 08, 2004 8:44 pm

Pedro wrote:That's right, a ton of teams are mediocre except half their line-up. Look at the Astros opponents tonight, the Braves. They have Furcal, Giles, Chipper, Drew and Druw, and then players like LaRoche, DeRosa and Johnny Estrada, what do you consider that?


i consider that a solid, but weak lineup. they don't have the 1 or 2 superbats that the other teams do. they don't have a pujols... they don't have an arod/giambi.... a manny/nomar etc...
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Postby ajgnydc722 » Sat May 08, 2004 8:44 pm

Pedro wrote:
WhiteHot wrote:
Pedro wrote:St. Louis?

They're offense is mediocre except for the middle of their line-up with Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen and Renteria, they don't have the strength up and down like the 'Stros and Yanks do.


So they're mediocre except for half their lineup?


That's right, a ton of teams are mediocre except half their line-up. Look at the Astros opponents tonight, the Braves. They have Furcal, Giles, Chipper, Drew and Druw, and then players like LaRoche, DeRosa and Johnny Estrada, what do you consider that?

There is a big difference between what the Cards have and what say Atlanta had last year, the Braves of '03 had zero holes in their line-up aside from the pitcher, which is why they were such a deadly offensive team.


0 holes? Wasn't Robert Fick their 1B?

Anyways they don't have that roster anymore. St. Louis has a great lineup. If you say they don't name, 4 teams that are better.
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Postby Pedro » Sat May 08, 2004 8:49 pm

I never said the Cards had a weak line-up, all I said was that they had holes in their line-up.

I also think you're underrating the Braves offense, don't forget that they have been battling injuries the entire season, Houston's offense is not that much better.

1B - Bagwell > LaRoche/Franco = HOU
2B - Kent = Giles - DRAW
SS - Furcal > Everett = ATL
3B - Lamb/Ensberg > DeRosa
LF - Ensberg = Chipper - DRAW
CF - Biggio < Andruw = ATL
RF - Drew = Hidalgo - DRAW
C - Ausmus < Estrada - ATL

You can debate my comparisons all you want, but like I said, Houston's offense is not that much better.
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Postby Pedro » Sat May 08, 2004 8:51 pm

ajgnydc722 wrote:
Pedro wrote:
WhiteHot wrote:
Pedro wrote:St. Louis?

They're offense is mediocre except for the middle of their line-up with Pujols, Edmonds, Rolen and Renteria, they don't have the strength up and down like the 'Stros and Yanks do.


So they're mediocre except for half their lineup?


That's right, a ton of teams are mediocre except half their line-up. Look at the Astros opponents tonight, the Braves. They have Furcal, Giles, Chipper, Drew and Druw, and then players like LaRoche, DeRosa and Johnny Estrada, what do you consider that?

There is a big difference between what the Cards have and what say Atlanta had last year, the Braves of '03 had zero holes in their line-up aside from the pitcher, which is why they were such a deadly offensive team.


0 holes? Wasn't Robert Fick their 1B?

Anyways they don't have that roster anymore. St. Louis has a great lineup. If you say they don't name, 4 teams that are better.


4 eh?

Let's see..

Yankees
Red Sox
Astros
Cubs
Phillies

And maybe the Angels.
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Postby Pokeyouindaeye » Sat May 08, 2004 8:53 pm

Pedro wrote:I never said the Cards had a weak line-up, all I said was that they had holes in their line-up.

I also think you're underrating the Braves offense, don't forget that they have been battling injuries the entire season, Houston's offense is not that much better.

1B - Bagwell > LaRoche/Franco = HOU
2B - Kent = Giles - DRAW
SS - Furcal > Everett = ATL
3B - Lamb/Ensberg > DeRosa
LF - Ensberg = Chipper - DRAW
CF - Biggio < Andruw = ATL
RF - Drew = Hidalgo - DRAW
C - Ausmus < Estrada - ATL

You can debate my comparisons all you want, but like I said, Houston's offense is not that much better.


You forgot some guy named Lance Berkman.
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Postby ajgnydc722 » Sat May 08, 2004 8:53 pm

Pedro wrote:I never said the Cards had a weak line-up, all I said was that they had holes in their line-up.

I also think you're underrating the Braves offense, don't forget that they have been battling injuries the entire season, Houston's offense is not that much better.

1B - Bagwell > LaRoche/Franco = HOU
2B - Kent = Giles - DRAW
SS - Furcal > Everett = ATL
3B - Lamb/Ensberg > DeRosa
LF - Ensberg = Chipper - DRAW
CF - Biggio < Andruw = ATL
RF - Drew = Hidalgo - DRAW
C - Ausmus < Estrada - ATL

You can debate my comparisons all you want, but like I said, Houston's offense is not that much better.


You aren't taking into consideration the quality of each player, not just who wins each position. For example, Bagwell absolutely DESTROYS someone like Franco while something like Kent-Giles is close.

Also you put Ensberg in left instead of Lance Berkman. There's not a chance in hell Chipper is better than Berkman. Also, I take Hidalgo over JD Drew any day of the week.

In regard to your St. Louis response....well every team has holes. Whether its 1 hole or 9, every team has a weakness in their lineup. Name a team that doesn't.
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