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Postby Madison » Wed May 05, 2004 6:03 pm

I don't think it's anywhere near the end of the big 3.

Era/Whip numbers should be good as usual. Wins are team dependant. I drafted both Zito and Mulder in different leagues this year, but certainly did not bank on them to win a bunch of games. Just a solid starter that I could put out there every 5 days. :-)
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Postby GSes » Wed May 05, 2004 6:43 pm

wow I never thought I would see the day that someone would start a "are ther oakland big 3 done" forum.

Tim Hudson
Barry Zito
Mark Mulder

ARE FAR FROM DONE!

By the way one reason for the early struggles is simple, look who they have gone against.

2 series VS the high powered Angels

2 series VS the 1st place and slammin offensive Rangers

2 series VS the now on trach murders row yankees

Throw in TB & Seattle in between (btw only Hudson faced TB, and Hudson faced seattle twice, Mulder faced seattle once I believe.)

Zito has had

Game 1: Rangers
Game 2: Rangers
Game 3: Angels
Game 4: Angels
Game 5: Yankees
Game 6: Yankees

Name another SP in the AL, that went thru that in their first 6 starts? Hudson & Mulder are only ones who come close.

Why does Tim Hudson so far have the best ratios & win-loss?

He has had an easier schedule so far then zito & mulder

The A's trio are always contenders for the cy young, this year is no diffrent neither is next year.
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Postby G-Man » Wed May 05, 2004 7:14 pm

hudson had a rough start to the season last year but i'd say he came around OK :*) I have always felt he is the safest and best of the three but they will all be fine.
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Postby mtarail » Wed May 05, 2004 7:20 pm

Longhorns76 wrote:Mulder and Hudson will be fine. Zito is the one I would worry about. He doesn't appear like himself.


I pretty much agree with that. Zito's my only concern. I think he'll have a solid year, but after this rough start and the dive his strikeouts took last year I don't know if we'll see the statistical dominance that he displayed in 2001 or 2002.
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Postby irishdude103 » Wed May 05, 2004 7:42 pm

i wouldn't worry about them, they will turn it around
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Postby WhiteHot » Wed May 05, 2004 7:44 pm

I think they should send Zito to the bullpen. I think he's lost something.
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Postby Arrowhead Nation » Wed May 05, 2004 9:45 pm

This thread makes me want to bang my head into a wall.,...why even post something asking that......why do people come here and say that after one bad week, that great players might be done

"Man, Clemens gave up 6 ER, man he must be done" that crap isfor analytic idiots @ Baseball tonight to jump on

Leave that crap for 5th graders who dont knwo any better and who dont research statistics before they ask something....why dont you look @ splits on who they have pitched against historically and then you make your own decision....

Jose COntreras=unproven, =maybe done

Also, what did you mean by DONE...like their careers are done? They are done for the seaosn? That they are hurt?
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Postby Transmogrifier » Wed May 05, 2004 11:51 pm

kcbelieves wrote:This thread makes me want to bang my head into a wall.,...why even post something asking that......why do people come here and say that after one bad week, that great players might be done

"Man, Clemens gave up 6 ER, man he must be done" that crap isfor analytic idiots @ Baseball tonight to jump on

Leave that crap for 5th graders who dont knwo any better and who dont research statistics before they ask something....why dont you look @ splits on who they have pitched against historically and then you make your own decision....

Jose COntreras=unproven, =maybe done

Also, what did you mean by DONE...like their careers are done? They are done for the seaosn? That they are hurt?


Agreed. The Big Three aren't done. The only one that worries me is Zito, that declining k/9 is worrisome.
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Postby mtarail » Thu May 06, 2004 1:12 am

WhiteHot wrote:I think they should send Zito to the bullpen. I think he's lost something.


Uhhh. Let's see. :-?

We're talking about a Cy Young winner who can barely hit 90mph on the gun. I'm gonna take a wild guess and say that he's just fine where he is. A "struggling" Zito is still better than 95% of the other pitchers in the league.
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Postby jpbusta » Thu May 06, 2004 2:29 am

Transmogrifier wrote:
kcbelieves wrote:This thread makes me want to bang my head into a wall.,...why even post something asking that......why do people come here and say that after one bad week, that great players might be done

"Man, Clemens gave up 6 ER, man he must be done" that crap isfor analytic idiots @ Baseball tonight to jump on

Leave that crap for 5th graders who dont knwo any better and who dont research statistics before they ask something....why dont you look @ splits on who they have pitched against historically and then you make your own decision....

Jose COntreras=unproven, =maybe done

Also, what did you mean by DONE...like their careers are done? They are done for the seaosn? That they are hurt?


Agreed. The Big Three aren't done. The only one that worries me is Zito, that declining k/9 is worrisome.


So far this season, he's been giving up a lot of runs but actually he's been getting enough amount of Ks. He pitched 35 innings so far with 29 Ks. Better percentage than last years. It's a question that if he'll keep up this much Ks per innings but he doesn't look bad at all. :-)
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