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Postby drocto » Wed May 05, 2004 12:40 pm

I'm in a league in which it is beneficial (in my eyes) to start four starters and three closers in seven pitching spots. I offered a trade last week to someone who needs a closer or two (Mantei is his). He refused the trade (Trevor Hoffman and either Matt Clement or C.C. Sabathia for Pedro). This is a daily FA/Waiver transactions league in which you set your lineup on a weekly basis.

Last night, when I returned from Wrigley Field, where I watched Valverde get the save, I picked up Jose Valverde despite the fact that I have NO intention of ever starting him, only keeping him until Sunday when he will have to be picked up via waivers, not via free agency. The Mantei owner who turned down the trade has top waiver priority, I have second...

Therefore, I've made a strategic move to deny my opponents the ability to get a legitimate closer candidate (I also have Isringhausen, Joe Nathan, and Mariano Rivera). On Sunday, I'll drop both Nathan and Valverde for two starters who will start twice this week. please let me know if I've made a terrible breach of ethics or if I've just made a good strategic move.

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Postby Amazinz » Wed May 05, 2004 12:42 pm

Yes that's called churning and not a particurlarly fair way to play FB. :-t
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Wed May 05, 2004 12:43 pm

its called roster churning and it is frowned upon, and if its a yahoo league they can contact the Yahoo Commish and you can lose your team. Id stop if I were you, its a very asshole kinda thing to do.
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Postby BGbootha » Wed May 05, 2004 12:45 pm

yep, churning = :-t
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Postby drocto » Wed May 05, 2004 12:47 pm

Cool, thanks. Would you call it churning that I drop two pitchers each week for pitchers who will make two starts?
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Postby BGbootha » Wed May 05, 2004 12:49 pm

not if you are making a legit roster move. In my league we have a rule that if a player never makes into an active roster before he is released then he is not on waivers but rather part of the free agent pool.

It's a grey area, but as long as you are not purposefully wasting a player on the waiver wire. You should be OK
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Postby Leiter Fan » Wed May 05, 2004 12:52 pm

drocto wrote:Cool, thanks. Would you call it churning that I drop two pitchers each week for pitchers who will make two starts?


No, because you'll actually be starting those pitchers. That type of move is fine.

My understanding of churning is that such an act occurs when you pick up and drop players in a way that is of no benefit to your team other than denying other league members access to them.
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Postby great gretzky » Wed May 05, 2004 12:57 pm

not churning. if it is an asset to your team why not take them. if you jsut drop them right away to put them on waivers, that is one thing. But hey, you picked up up and could use him.

can be grey I guess, i don;t agree with those who think ti is chruning, but it coudl be perceived that way. It hink of churning as putting all fo the best FA guys on waivers. not keeping a guy for a couple of days and dumping.
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Re: Ethics Question?!? Experts needed.

Postby Amazinz » Wed May 05, 2004 1:05 pm

drocto wrote:Last night, when I returned from Wrigley Field, where I watched Valverde get the save, I picked up Jose Valverde despite the fact that I have NO intention of ever starting him, only keeping him until Sunday when he will have to be picked up via waivers, not via free agency.


Gretzky, I am not sure how you could read the above quote and not consider it churning. :-D Picking up a FA with no intention of using him and dropping him onto the WW to hamper another owner's access is the very definition of churning IMO.
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Postby j_d_mcnugent » Wed May 05, 2004 3:06 pm

Amazinz wrote:Gretzky, I am not sure how you could read the above quote and not consider it churning. :-D Picking up a FA with no intention of using him and dropping him onto the WW to hamper another owner's access is the very definition of churning IMO.


i have heard people call the practice of picking up starters, using them, and then dropping them after they start as roster churning. i guess different people call that practice by different names.


in my opinion it is bad form to pick up a player with the sole purpose of hindering the play of your opponents. since you have valverde, why not try to trade him or another one of your closers instead of just dropping him.
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