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Postby JOEG » Tue Apr 27, 2004 3:57 pm

I agree that that Wilson and White for Renteria trade is downright horrible... however i think you just can't dismiss Wilsons numbers. What are we about an 8th of the way thru the season and hes around 400? Thats pretty sweet i would say - i know "what about A-Gonzalez!!!" what about Bill Mueller? Scott Podsednik?

Now about the top ten thing

In any scoring system these guys are way better
AROD - Tejada - Renteria - Nomar - so top 4 is out of the question

Now you got the next tier of Jeter/Furcal/Cabrera - damn I can't even say his name with these guys in this class - but he has outpreformed all 3 so far and it's going to be hard to forsee Jeter and his stats ebing equal for awhile - he isn't in this class though

Thats only 7 guys so far

Now you got A hurt unproven Reyes, a hurt Valentin, a one year hurt phenom Berroa, a very unproven unspectacular Matsui, a boring Aurlla, a below slumping Rollins, a slumping really unproven Cintron, a very overrated Crosby, an unproven Greene? Who out of this group would you rather have then Wilson????? I might have to go out on a limb and call him the 8th best SS right now!
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Postby Mad'sWife » Tue Apr 27, 2004 3:59 pm

I picked him up in one league as a hot bat until Nomar comes back from injury. So far he has done well. He is helpful in the batting avg catagory but I have some other power hitters for HR,R,and RBI's but it is nice that he should swipe a few bags when he does get on base. Every little bit counts.

Last 3 years Team G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
2002 PIT 147 527 77 133 22 4 4 47 37 74 5 2 .252 .306 .332 .638
2003 PIT 150 558 58 143 21 3 9 62 36 74 5 5 .256 .303 .353 .656
2004 PIT 17 73 10 29 7 1 2 8 2 8 3 0 .397 .408 .603 1.011
Career 422 1548 189 392 67 9 18 142 91 226 14 10 .253 .297 .343 .640


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I am not predicting a career year for wilson but I am smart enough to pick up a hot bat and ride the streak for an injured player or a proven veteran that is off to a really slow start. :-D
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Postby stumpak » Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:21 pm

You named 7 guys who are clearly better at SS. Here are four more--Young, Reyes, Matsui, Berroa. I would even argue that Julio Lugo will have a better year when all is said and done. This makes Wilson #12 at best. Additionally, I would expect Lugo to have a better season when all is said and done, but this is more debatable.
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Postby Mookie4ever » Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:27 pm

stumpak wrote:What in his history has indicated that he perform at a top 10 level? The point I am making is that every year some guy who has never really done anything has a hot start, and people get very excited and start dropping proven players for him, and then he fizzles out. He has a career .252 batting avg and 18 measley HRs over 1800 ABs--what possibly can make you think that over the course of a full season you can expect anything better than .270/15 HRs? Even that would be a huge leap in performance out of the blue, and last I checked, that is not top 10 SS territory.


I second everything that JOEG and Mrs. Mad have said.

I agree that Wilson will cool off. If I didn't think that he would cool off I would have made him a top 4 SS and not a top 10.

Wilson was a good hitter in the minors and this is only his third full year in the majors. He has improved every single year and if you look at his splits his average and power has been improving steadily since the start of last season. He's not going to go 20/20 but .290 10/10 with 70+ RBI is possible and the last time I checked that would put him in the top ten.

If you want to round out your top ten how about Julio Lugo. I think that Lugo and Wilson are definite keepers and if you are playing in shallow leagues these are guys to look at for value at SS.
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Postby JOEG » Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:31 pm

Oops forgot Young - agree there

Lugo - don't buy that one

Matsui - why would you say he is better - there is not one nugget of fact to think he will have a better year - just hope and meaningless Japan stats

Reyes - maybe - i know i am hoping he is - however 3 hamstring injuries allready for a guy thats mostly valuable for his speed is very scarey - also whats he got 300 AB's?

Berroa - aaahhhh not sure on this one

Still even with Berroa, Reyes, Matsui, and Young ahead of him thats the 12th best SS who outpreforming everyone of them less Tejada really! Not a player to ignore
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Postby JOEG » Tue Apr 27, 2004 4:46 pm

One more thing i found interesting about Wilson

in 212 AB's in the 2 spot last year he hit

278/4/31

in 346 AB's in the 7th and 8th spots

239/5/31

As you can see the better protection and also maybe more motivation to hit better really proved well for him those 212 AB's equaled out to 600 AB's = 278/11/88 - the 88 is probably way to high but the average is too low IMO
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