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Postby jeffc_76 » Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:30 pm

wrveres wrote:gotta be a Democrat or a Socialist. Actually there are both pretty close in there thinking. Closer than most people think.


The edge between the two has blurred so much, it's scary.

Bukoski77 wrote:Or we could just take the federal governments say out of it and make it a states rights issue.


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Postby cardinals15 » Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:41 pm

The U.S. is as close to "free" in terms of a person's right to choose for himself without directly harming others as it probably gets in the crazy world today, but "free" in the absolute sense in terms of doing things is not as apparent. People making wagers outside of vegas or indian casinos, is two people agreeing on something without hurting others, prostitution outside of vegas, these things are regulated or prohibited even though the two parties directly involved may agree is beneficial. However, they are regulated due to the perceived effect on society (riff raff on the streets, effect on children) etc. Steroids, similarly may appear to be innocent to society, and only a choice by one person to make however its effects if not prevented will indeed affect society. If steroids becomes an individual choice and its does ultimately end up showing up harmful side effects, society at large will have to pay for the medical bills etc. In addition, unfortunately in terms of children if some of the young high school ball players are getting an advantage by juicing up, it would be naive to think the non users will not have an enormous amount of pressure to do the same.

Many people cannot explain why smoking and alcohol are perfectly legal when marijana which is apparently less addictive and harmful is not which adds to the greyness of society at large. The almighty dollar and industry however is an important factor as well in changing rights and perceptions of what is ok in a free society.
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Postby frog99 » Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:45 pm

wrveres wrote:
CubsFan7724 wrote:Heres your proof right here: No man who is older than 35 can hit 73 homers without enhancements. No one. Its ridiculous. If he wasnt getting all these walks he would be hitting high 60s 70s every year. When hes nearly 40. Come on.


but you automatically assume those "enhancements" are illegal or are steriods. I could walk into GNC today and buy 100-150 different legal "enhancements" that would help me during my work out. So how is that Proof? :-?




just because you can purchase the "enhancements" legally doesn't mean professional baseball players should be allowed to take them. It is just that an "enhancement." It unnaturally makes a person proform above what he could do without the "enhancements." I have a feind who works in GNC and he has sold all kinds of drugs that make todays atheles preform at higher level than they could without them. and many of the "natural suppliments" he sells are not illegal, but are banned ny the IOC and profootball because they damage the integery of their sports.



On a side note: the Oylmpics has to strip dozens of medals a year, even the IOC strict drug testing (much stricter than either the NFL, or MLB) doesn't find all culprits of cheating because they can take human growth hermoins and the effects will linger after the drug is out of their system, or the cloaking agents now work so well it blocks all trace of banned substance.
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Postby jeffc_76 » Mon Apr 26, 2004 7:58 pm

cardinals15 wrote:If steroids becomes an individual choice and its does ultimately end up showing up harmful side effects, society at large will have to pay for the medical bills etc.


Getting a little off the subject, my tax dollars shouldn't be spent on Joe Alcoholic's liver transplant or John Chainsmoker's chemotherepy either. Keep health care in the private sector and there isn't a problem.
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Postby LCBOY » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:13 pm

If it's in the SF Chronicle and SJ Mercury News, then it must be true. :-°

The story is crap. Conte's lawyers deny the story is true. So it's basically he said, she said...
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Postby matmat » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:27 pm

Bukoski77 wrote:I dont believe there should be an * bye any records, as has been stated steroids werent against baseball's rules until recently. I know alot of people have an its "agaisnt the law, so its cheating in baseball......." take on it. Baseball is played primarily in the U.S. but draws its talent from the entire world. In many countries where players come from steroids arent illegal, and if they werent illegal in baseball, its kind of hard to point the moral finger. I can gamble all I want 12.5 miles off U.S. water in a boat and the government has no problem with it.


As an americal organization, shouldn't MLB rules, laws and regulations be at least as strict as US laws? i.e. shouldn't anything that the FDA outlaws (or any other agency, for that matter) be banned by MLB (or NFL, NBA etc. etc. etc.)?
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Postby jeffc_76 » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:30 pm

Agreed. So, shame on MLB for having such a lax (non-existent) steroid policy until last year. But there's no rationale from within the game's rules to start removing stats or putting *'s.
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Postby matmat » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:31 pm

BabyBoomer wrote:If it is true then they might go to jail for because they said they didn't take it in a court of law. Thats breaking the law

I am noit sure of it though


doesn't the congress have to hold impeachment hearings for them first?
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Postby matmat » Mon Apr 26, 2004 8:33 pm

wrveres wrote:
Nomar4prez wrote: Some choices in life should be made for people.


gotta be a Democrat or a Socialist. Actually there are both pretty close in there thinking. Closer than most people think.


guess... so... republicans are more along the lines of "all choices should be made for people." that's actually pretty close to communism.
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Postby Nomar4prez » Mon Apr 26, 2004 9:31 pm

I'm actually not a democrat, or a republican, or an independent. I hate everything dealing with politics, and that's why I never vote.

I agree people should be able to make their own choices 99% of the time. If someone want's to use and abuse steriods, I don't care, but they are not only hurting themselves. AND, since steriods can induce 'riod rage, it puts others around them at risk. Although, I do understand the same can be said about alcohol. I just think that if steroids were legalized, then if someone saw there friend/family member take steriods legally and increase in size, they may decide to use it. Eventually, it could become as common as vitamins. Then, 50 years down the road, we could have a generation die early from liver failure(or something similiar.) I know this is an extreme case, but why risk it?
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