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Postby davus » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:13 pm

find his picture in the dictionary next to the entry for "overrated".

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Postby GSes » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:23 pm

davus wrote:find his picture in the dictionary next to the entry for "overrated".

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you have no idea wut ur talking about. Zito is hardley overrated.

I DONT get how any of you can make judgments on players after 3 weeks?

Obviouslt you are new to the cafe, we have had COUNTLESS threads/discussions as to why Zito is not overrated.
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Postby CrimeDog » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:26 pm

He's definitely overrated in most leagues I've been in. I don't see an ERA under 4 out of him this year, which is much higher than most expect. 9 ER so far today doesn't help the matter.
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Postby davus » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:28 pm

Ummm...no.

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Zito is just a couple of years removed from being touted as the zen guru of pitching. He's decent, but that's about it. There are still way too many out there that think he is still an elite pitcher regardless of the fact that he is completely inconsistent.

To me, that pretty much says he's overrated.
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Postby GSes » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:28 pm

CrimeDog wrote:He's definitely overrated in most leagues I've been in. I don't see an ERA under 4 out of him this year, which is much higher than most expect. 9 ER so far today doesn't help the matter.



Thats a ridiculous statement. ERA over 4?????

Again, Zito is hardly overrated, but underrated this year.

How the hell can you make judgments this early?

Ok so Zito gave up 9ER. Arod is hitting 200, he is overrated, quicck lets drop zito and arod.
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Postby davus » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:34 pm

GSes wrote:
CrimeDog wrote:He's definitely overrated in most leagues I've been in. I don't see an ERA under 4 out of him this year, which is much higher than most expect. 9 ER so far today doesn't help the matter.



Thats a ridiculous statement. ERA over 4?????

Again, Zito is hardly overrated, but underrated this year.

How the hell can you make judgments this early?

Ok so Zito gave up 9ER. Arod is hitting 200, he is overrated, quicck lets drop zito and arod.


Whoa! Hold it now, I didn't say go drop him. I said he's overrated. Big difference. His K's per BB ratio is dropping like a brick over the past few years...he's not as good as everyone said he was or still says he is.

He's still a decent pitcher...but definitely no ace.
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Postby GSes » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:46 pm

davus wrote:
GSes wrote:
CrimeDog wrote:He's definitely overrated in most leagues I've been in. I don't see an ERA under 4 out of him this year, which is much higher than most expect. 9 ER so far today doesn't help the matter.



Thats a ridiculous statement. ERA over 4?????

Again, Zito is hardly overrated, but underrated this year.

How the hell can you make judgments this early?

Ok so Zito gave up 9ER. Arod is hitting 200, he is overrated, quicck lets drop zito and arod.


Whoa! Hold it now, I didn't say go drop him. I said he's overrated. Big difference. His K's per BB ratio is dropping like a brick over the past few years...he's not as good as everyone said he was or still says he is.

He's still a decent pitcher...but definitely no ace.


A few months ago I started a 7 or 8 page thread that gave many reasons why zito was not overrated, and why the K/BB drop in ratio is complete BullS*** that he is declining.
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Postby INeedaFavoriteTeam » Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:23 am

Zito is so overrated....14 wins/146 strikeouts despite pitching 231 innings last year. He was comparible to the likes of:

Dontrelle Willis: 14/142
Hideo Nomo: 16/177
Carlos Zambrano 13/168
Joel Pineiro 16/151
Vincente Padilla 13/144
Livan Hernandez 15/178
CC Sabathia 13/141

Before you jump onto the ERA/Whip part...I did my research and they all had similar ERA/WHIP to barry Zito. This list of pitchers are pretty good pitchers...but are any of them Elite?? Hardly..
Is Barry Zito a good pitcher and a huge asset the the A's? No one is doubting that. But is Barry Zito overrated in fantasy baseball?? Most definately. You could have drafted any of these pitchers from above later than Barry Zito last year, and you can still draft every single one of these pitchers on the list above later than barry Zito THIS year.
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Postby Members Only Jackets » Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:29 am

I watched Zito pitch last Sunday (have him in 2 leagues) and I was not impressed. He's always in trouble and looks lazy out there on the mound....I'll obviously keep him though and hope for the best.
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Postby Zito is God » Sat Apr 24, 2004 12:54 am

davus wrote:
GSes wrote:
CrimeDog wrote:He's definitely overrated in most leagues I've been in. I don't see an ERA under 4 out of him this year, which is much higher than most expect. 9 ER so far today doesn't help the matter.



Thats a ridiculous statement. ERA over 4?????

Again, Zito is hardly overrated, but underrated this year.

How the hell can you make judgments this early?

Ok so Zito gave up 9ER. Arod is hitting 200, he is overrated, quicck lets drop zito and arod.



Umm....well, first of all, a look at my sn will tell you my opinion (roughly) on Zito. :-)

Second of all, by "no ace" do you mean in fantasy or in real life?
Whoa! Hold it now, I didn't say go drop him. I said he's overrated. Big difference. His K's per BB ratio is dropping like a brick over the past few years...he's not as good as everyone said he was or still says he is.

He's still a decent pitcher...but definitely no ace.
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