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Postby Nomar4prez » Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:59 pm

jeffc_76 wrote:
Slapweasel wrote:...on a different note: "Weed" is natural. Beer is legal. We've got a problem, Houston.


coke is natural. So is ricin for that matter.


Let's legalize Ricin!!!!! :-?
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Postby whitesox04champs » Sun Apr 18, 2004 1:08 pm

TMurph wrote:Thank You and I will decide
Yes he was using steroids big time
he got out just in time
and all this coming from, me, and avid st.louis cardinal fan :~(


He admitted that he took roids.............
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Postby jeffc_76 » Sun Apr 18, 2004 1:10 pm

He admitted to taking andro. He never admitted to taking anything illegal.
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Postby Liberty30 » Sun Apr 18, 2004 1:30 pm

If those pictures were of Barry, I guarantee many of you all would be crucifying him and demanding his accomplishments be erased from the record books.

The double standard is dumbfounding.
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Postby slomo007 » Sun Apr 18, 2004 1:32 pm

Agreed, but I guess I'm weird b/c I respect Barry's accomplishments more than Mark's.
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Postby KULCAT » Sun Apr 18, 2004 1:36 pm

Looked he was almost as big as in 98 back in 93 when i saw him play in Florida. In 87 the guy hit 49 bombs so im pretty sure the power was there. In he last few years he was healthy and that was th issue with early in his career. he couldnt keep healthy. I think he used to stuff but i dont think he injected hard core steroids into himself.
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Postby Lofunzo » Sun Apr 18, 2004 1:57 pm

I'm gonna add a little flava to this topic. Baseball, more than any other sport, is about numbers. It is also about what have you done for me lately?? I think that those who believe that McGwire gets a passwhile Bonds doesn't are right. To me, part of that is because McGwire is much more well liked and part of it is because his record only stood for 3 years. I believe that if McGwire's record still stood, he would be getting more heat. I also think that part of it is because McGwire has admitted to taking something (andro). Barry hasn't so everyone uses their imagination. Taking personality out of it, we need to keep something in mind when discussing the scrutiny that Bonds faces when comparing him to others. IMHO, Babe Ruth is the greatest player of all-time. Few, if any, players are in his neighborhood. Bonds has shot past a lot of people and is not only in his neighborhood, he's getting ready to move next door. Before this BALCO issue came out, I bet that if someone like Griffey hit 74 HR in a season, Barry would get a lot less heat.
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Postby jeffc_76 » Sun Apr 18, 2004 2:00 pm

No question Bonds has had the more spectacular career.

H HR RBI BB SO SB AVG OBP SLG OPS

McGwire 1626 583 1414 1317 1596 12 .263 .394 .588 .982

Bonds 2608 663 1753 2083 1390 500 .298 .434 .604 1.038

Bonds is almost a career .300 hitter and has hit for more power and stolen almost 500 more bases. He'll probably finish with enough hits and home runs to have made the hof in either category. He's excelled his entire career and barring injury will retire as the single season and career home run king.

Take away McGwire's record breaking season and he would have borderline hof credentials.

An unbiased observer would be more inclined to think that McGwire, not Bonds, benefited more from the assistance of performance enhancers, supplements, steroids, etc.
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Postby d18Mike » Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:15 pm

This whole thread makes me admire Tony Gwynn even more. Now there's a man who put some bulk on over his career. But he understood that there was a more efficient way to put on bulk than steriods: doughnouts.
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Re: Tony Gwynn

Postby Kegglers » Sun Apr 18, 2004 4:55 pm

d18Mike wrote:This whole thread makes me admire Tony Gwynn even more. Now there's a man who put some bulk on over his career. But he understood that there was a more efficient way to put on bulk than steriods: doughnouts.
:-D

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