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Postby slomo007 » Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:17 pm

nonames wrote:Why, is 131 pitches in April too many? CHRIST


Nothing at all is wrong with it....Go Dusty! Reds in 2004!
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Postby DK » Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:18 pm

thedon. wrote:If the Mets had a starter that could consistently go to the seventh -- or had a bullpen worth a sh!t -- we could see what your response would be.

Have fun in the cellar ;-D


Classy. Naturally, at the rate Dusty's going, the only seventh CHC starters are going to is the 7th room in a hospital ward.
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Postby BobbyRoberto » Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:22 pm

Dusty Baker has a long history of abusing pitchers' arms. He's old-school and doesn't see any reason to change because he's been a successful manager doing it his way. It doesn't appear that he's interested in looking at any data that shows pitchers shouldn't be left in games to throw 125 pitches.

Last year, the average # of pitches thrown by a starting pitcher in the NL was 93.6. The Cubs averaged 103.4.

He's been criticized for years but won't change. If it turns out Prior's elbow is more damaged than has been shown yet, Baker might get more heat for his pitcher usage.

I like him as a manager, in general, because he seems to get a lot out of his teams, but he should let a good pitching coach take care of his pitching staffs. In Seattle, Lou Piniella was brutal with young pitchers early in his tenure with the M's. The pitching finally started coming around when Brian Price was named pitching coach and Lou let Price take care of the pitching end of things.
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Postby thehat » Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:25 pm

Some Wood numbers...prior to today, Wood has gone beyond 105 pitches for a total of 67 IP in his career. 96 K's, 3.09 ERA and allowing a .160 avg.

He was dominant in this game, and while I agree that Dusty overuses his starters unnecessarily at times, I also thought leaving Wood in the game was the right move. Had it not been for some questionable umpiring (which will likely net Wood a fine following his blowup) he wins the game.
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Postby cubsin04 » Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:28 pm

LOL Prior in a Met hat...

Uh, sure. Didn't Mo Vaughn's contract teach you guys better?? No, guess not....you wasted $6 million on Looper and another $35 million on Glavine.

I mean who'd rather spend $11.67 million/year on an aging Glavine than $11.25 million/year for a 27 year old Javier Vazquez???
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Postby matmat » Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:32 pm

slomo007 wrote:
Nothing at all is wrong with it....Go Dusty! Reds in 2004!



hahahahahahah

yeah, if dusty keeps this up the astros will run away with nl central.
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Postby diesel99xx » Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:45 pm

UMMMMMMM Yeah, I wasn't dissing any SP on the Cubs b/c they are all very very very good. But if that is all u can result to, when I diss your Arm murdering manager,by all means if it makes you feel better,then get it off your chest.
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Postby DK » Sat Apr 17, 2004 6:58 pm

Didn't 1908 teach you anything? Talk about futility... from Tinker to Evers to Bartman.
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Postby colt4523 » Sat Apr 17, 2004 7:08 pm

Dusty does not know how to manage his pitchers. He has a beefed up bullpen...how about he lets them get the job done. Especially this early in the season.
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Postby ATECH » Sat Apr 17, 2004 7:08 pm

I thought this was why the Cubs went out and got Hawkins, so they would have some faith in the bullpen when the game was on the line.
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