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Postby colour wolf » Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:12 pm

Just a quick question. I know that Milwaukee had the most SvOp last year. My question is this: How many of these 'save opportunites' came in the 6th or 7th innings? For example, if Sheets leaves the game in the 5th inning leading 4-2, and a relief pitcher gives up 3 runs in the 6th, does this count as a blown save, and hence a SvOp? Similarly, can there be multiple blown saves by one team in one game? If so, then that would seem to indicate that total save opportunities is a meaningless statistic.

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Postby Zito is God » Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:50 pm

I think it meant ALWAYS mean in the 9th.
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Postby colour wolf » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:03 pm

But you can get a save if you pitch 3 innings. So those 3-inning saves certainly count towards 'save opportunities'
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Postby mtarail » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:36 pm

1st off, no team in American ML baseball uses a closer for 3 innings.

You can only blow a save if you have a save opportunity. The only way to have a save opportunity is to be pitching in the 9th inning with a lead of at least one but no more than 3 runs.
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Postby colour wolf » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:40 pm

Thanks. I thought it had to be in the 9th inning, but wasn't sure.

As far as this
1st off, no team in American ML baseball uses a closer for 3 innings.


of course not. I never said that they did.
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Postby matmat » Fri Apr 16, 2004 9:41 pm

mtarail wrote:1st off, no team in American ML baseball uses a closer for 3 innings.

You can only blow a save if you have a save opportunity. The only way to have a save opportunity is to be pitching in the 9th inning with a lead of at least one but no more than 3 runs.


you are wrong.
there are, I believe two ways of earning a save
i) pitch at least the last three innings of a game that your team wins and not get the win
ii) finish the game that your team wins (and not get the win) after you have come in with the tieing run at least in the on-deck circle.
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Postby Bedard » Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:16 pm

Well, that doesn't mean what he typed is wrong. By the ninth inning he obviously meant the last inning of the game. And getting the save by pitching the last three innings means you have to be pitching the ninth (or higher number if in OT). So the ninth is all that matters. Who cares about the two innings before it. You still won't get the save if you aren't pitching the ninth. Thats the one that matters.
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Postby eftda » Fri Apr 16, 2004 10:20 pm

mtarail wrote:1st off, no team in American ML baseball uses a closer for 3 innings.



I think Rivera did it in the playoffs, maybe in 2000, or 2001
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Postby mtarail » Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:24 pm

Bedard wrote:Well, that doesn't mean what he typed is wrong. By the ninth inning he obviously meant the last inning of the game. And getting the save by pitching the last three innings means you have to be pitching the ninth (or higher number if in OT). So the ninth is all that matters. Who cares about the two innings before it. You still won't get the save if you aren't pitching the ninth. Thats the one that matters.


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Postby matmat » Fri Apr 16, 2004 11:29 pm

mtarail wrote:1st off, no team in American ML baseball uses a closer for 3 innings.

You can only blow a save if you have a save opportunity. The only way to have a save opportunity is to be pitching in the 9th inning with a lead of at least one but no more than 3 runs.


sorry, but you are wrong. you could be pitching with a 20 run lead in the 9th and still get a save. either you get to pitch the last three innings (w/o getting the win) or you came in when your team was within 3 and then your team went off and scored a zillion...
you are wrong.
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