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Postby Bloody Nipples » Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:38 pm

Theguy is over 40, but has had solid numbers the past couple of seasons. This year, however, he is off to a bad start, with a 8.44 ERA and a 1.88 WHIP. Is age finally catching up to this age-defying pitcher? What numbers can I expect from him this year? How does he fit in the following list of players?

Affeldt
Willis
Woody Williams
Garland
Santana

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Postby Zito is God » Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:45 pm

I avoided him because : A. Seattle does not have many HR hitters anymore so less W's. and B. Hes VERY old and injury prone and his change up has got to be figuired out by now.
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Re: Jamie Moyer too old?

Postby matmat » Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:46 pm

Bloody Nipples wrote:Theguy is over 40, but has had solid numbers the past couple of seasons. This year, however, he is off to a bad start, with a 8.44 ERA and a 1.88 WHIP. Is age finally catching up to this age-defying pitcher? What numbers can I expect from him this year? How does he fit in the following list of players?

Affeldt
Willis
Woody Williams
Garland
Santana

Thanks for your help.


i don't really know too much about garland, but I am fairly sure I'd rather have santana than moyer. I'd probably also want willis ahead of him.
williams and moyer are now about 80 years combined... i don't know which one I'd take.

if it were a keeper league I'd probably look at affeldt ahead of moyer too.
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Postby Andy1234 » Fri Apr 16, 2004 7:46 pm

Before the season I only had Santana ahead of Moyer, but Willis has pitched like a super stud the first few games and might move him ahead of Moyer.

But Moyer being the soft tosser that he is, shouldn't succumb to age as quickly as others, which he has been doing, but I wouldn't write him off because of two bad starts. I think he should end up with similar numbers as the past few years.

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Postby whitesox04champs » Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:02 pm

Zito is God wrote:I avoided him because : A. Seattle does not have many HR hitters anymore so less W's. and B. Hes VERY old and injury prone and his change up has got to be figuired out by now.


that and because his stuff is terrible...........
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Postby matrick » Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:09 pm

whitesox04champs wrote:
Zito is God wrote:I avoided him because : A. Seattle does not have many HR hitters anymore so less W's. and B. Hes VERY old and injury prone and his change up has got to be figuired out by now.


that and because his stuff is terrible...........


Could the pitcher with the highest win % in the major leagues since 1996 really have terrible "stuff" ? 21 wins just last year with a 3yr average ERA of 3.33 Come on now.
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Postby Zito is God » Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:11 pm

I don't think he has terrible stuff, I just think he uses his great changeup too much and hitters could have figuired him out by now.
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Postby whitesox04champs » Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:17 pm

Zito is God wrote:I don't think he has terrible stuff, I just think he uses his great changeup too much and hitters could have figuired him out by now.


he has terrible stuff...........

He has lived purely on his control and changeup..........
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Postby matrick » Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:33 pm

whitesox04champs wrote:
Zito is God wrote:I don't think he has terrible stuff, I just think he uses his great changeup too much and hitters could have figuired him out by now.


he has terrible stuff...........

He has lived purely on his control and changeup..........


What's the point? Mariano Rivera has lived on his cutter. Does he not have good stuff? Moyer has averaged 18 wins the last three years by the way.
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Postby whitesox04champs » Fri Apr 16, 2004 8:58 pm

matrick wrote:
whitesox04champs wrote:
Zito is God wrote:I don't think he has terrible stuff, I just think he uses his great changeup too much and hitters could have figuired him out by now.


he has terrible stuff...........

He has lived purely on his control and changeup..........


What's the point? Mariano Rivera has lived on his cutter. Does he not have good stuff? Moyer has averaged 18 wins the last three years by the way.


LOL

Thatsa whole different story.........

Rivera has one of the best pitches in HISTORY and he throws mid 90's with solid secondary pitches.........he also has solid control...........
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