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Postby Guest » Mon Mar 17, 2003 6:32 pm

wrveres wrote:
BankRoll wrote: Dude, you're putting a little too much emphasis on CG and you have to put it in context. Yes it's a lot of CGs for that time (and even more so now), but look in the past and it doesn't even hold up a candle to some of the other guys. For example:

Kid Nichols - 561GS, 531CG (95%)
Pud Galvin - 689GS, 649CG (94%)
Tim Keefe - 593GS, 554CG (93%)
Cy Young - 815GS, 749CG (92%)

and for comparison:

Nolan Ryan - 733GS, 222CG (30%)

Wow..... where did all the love go

Though I will be the first to admit that comparing stats with players from different era's is fruitless, I do find it one hell of a lot easier to compare them when they are separated by 10-20 years vs. 110-120 years.

But since you have that neat little database there.. Bankroll... please go back and check to see who was the last pitcher to have.....

156 CG's but only
138 Win's for an awful team....oh and
2400 Strikeouts over an
8 year span.

And he only quit pitching 10 years ago. Not 110. LMAO Thats alot of complete games for that time LMAO

"I challenge anybody to find a better 8 year run." Is that not what you said? You highlighted complete games like it's something amazing and I pointed out it wasn't. Nowhere in your post did you mention a time period either.

Anyways, look at Walter Johnson from 1910 to 1919 (10 season span, even harder to do). Averaged 26.5W/season (lead majors twice), 222K/season (lead majors 6 times) and his highest ERA in that span was 2.21, the rest all between 1.15 and 1.90 (lead the majors 4 times). Also lead the majors in CG and Shutouts 3 times each in that span.

In your Nolan Ryan time period he never lead the league in ERA or Wins, lead the league in losses once, and lead the league in walks (6) more times that he lead strike outs (5). He only lead the league in CG once in that period, and shut outs 3 times.

And if you want more recent, look at Randy Johnson's last 10 seasons (discounting his '96 season were he only made 8 starts, so actually 9 seasons). He lead the league 8 times in strike outs (in effectively 9 seasons), lead the league twice in ERA, lead the league once in wins, and earned 5 Cy Youngs.

So there you go. You dared and got your answer.

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Postby Aryeh2b » Mon Mar 17, 2003 7:40 pm

Current = Nomar garciaparra, He has such a pretty swing and he hits everything on the sweet oart of the bat, last year after his injury i was like damn nomar is having a terrible year, then i look at his numbers and i am amazed, my expectations of him are so high, if he doesn;t hit .370 i am upset.

All Time = Nomar (i am still young )
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Postby kundog » Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:15 pm

Love the topic:

Favorite current player: Adam Dunn

Favorite of all time: Tony Gwynn , great student of hitting.
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Postby Oswalt11 » Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:05 pm

Current: Paul Konerko and followed by Roy Oswalt
Honorable mentions: Jeff Bagwell, Robin Ventura, Mark Prior

All Time: Ty Cobb and Ted Williams
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Postby MC_Hammer » Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:10 pm

Current Favorite Red Sox: Nomar Garciaparra- Hometown hero, great player, and he drives the pitchers crazy with his rituals

Past Red Sox: Ted Williams- I don't feel the need to explain myself here

Current Non-Red sox: Curt Schilling- ex-Philly (where my dad is from), all-around good guy, workhorse, great stuff and command (@ the All-Star game he told Arod what was coming and struck him out in 3 pitches!!).

Past Non-Red Sox: Mike Schmidt- he was a Philly, 3B (like me), great hitter and good fielder.
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Postby Danks81 » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:02 pm

Let me preface my picks by saying I love to see guys with not only skills but great personalities and lives to go along with their games.

That being said, here are my picks:

Current: Barry Zito, one of the top pitchers in the league, fun as hell, and has great taste in music.

Past: Kirk Gibson, could have been a two sport star before Bo Jackson (was an All American Wide Receiver at Michigan State), clutch in key games, fiery, powerful fast, and I got to trick or treat at his house when I was a kid (I lived a block away from him in Michigan)

I also have to mention Ted Williams. He is John Wayne, minus the fiction. A record holder in baseball and fishing, and a war hero (was a pilot in the Marines). His legend can only be equaled by Babe Ruth.
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Postby ScurvyDog » Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:16 pm

Current: Pat Burrell
All time: Willie Stargell (We are family)
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Postby HOOTIE » Mon Mar 17, 2003 11:08 pm

ScurvyDog wrote:Current: Pat Burrell
All time: Willie Stargell (We are family)

DOG, I hope you arent listening to Sister Sledge lol?
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Postby HOOTIE » Mon Mar 17, 2003 11:14 pm

As far as Ryans run. Just off the top of my head, Walter Johnson, Lefty Grove, Sandy Koufax, Greg Maddux, RJ were better to get the ball rolling.
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Postby a_downward_spiral » Mon Mar 17, 2003 11:27 pm

current: Rafael Palmeiro

all-time: Double X--Jimmie Foxx
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