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Postby Ry-Guy » Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:38 pm

He'd better get run support if he plans on winning this season. He's looked really sharp so far. ;-7
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Postby Dr.DooM » Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:42 pm

It's pretty sad to see him return to mediocrity after such a great year.
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Postby Danimal » Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:43 pm

He's a winner in baseball, but surely not upper tier fantasy stuff. I'm still glad I passed on him.
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Postby 4Pack » Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:51 pm

It looks like the prevailing opinion is that Loazia may be in for a rough season...or at least a season not even close to last seasons numbers. Sooooo....would now be a good time to deal him away while he is still a valuable pitcher and his last seasons numbers are fresh in everyones minds?
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Postby CubsFan7724 » Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:53 pm

yes, i think it would be a very good idea. Trade him before the beatings begin.
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Postby LBJackal » Tue Apr 13, 2004 5:59 pm

I'm a believer still. He had a rough start, with a bad WHIP and his K's weren't what you'd expect. Being 2-0 doesn't mean much, but it's nice to see he's getting run support. Once he regains his control (meaning less walks, more K's, lower WHIP, less HR's, all essentailly leading to a lower ERA and more wins), I think he'll have around a 1.25 WHIP, 200+ K's, and 20 wins aren't out of the question. I was prediting a more modest number like 15-17, but with the way he's pitched so far and still managing to win both starts, I don't see 20 as improbable.
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Postby jbones733 » Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:10 pm

I think he will be fine, wont match last years #'s but he will be solid
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Postby ramble2 » Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:11 pm

LBJackal wrote:I'm a believer still. He had a rough start, with a bad WHIP and his K's weren't what you'd expect. Being 2-0 doesn't mean much, but it's nice to see he's getting run support. Once he regains his control (meaning less walks, more K's, lower WHIP, less HR's, all essentailly leading to a lower ERA and more wins), I think he'll have around a 1.25 WHIP, 200+ K's, and 20 wins aren't out of the question. I was prediting a more modest number like 15-17, but with the way he's pitched so far and still managing to win both starts, I don't see 20 as improbable.


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So let me get this straight, you think it's a good sign that he won despite getting rocked today? Call me crazy, but if he keeps pitching poorly I would expect him to lose more often than win. If you are counting on 7-8 runs per game to get Loaiza his 20 wins that's stretching it. I wouldn't count on more than 15 wins, tops.

And for the record, the bad WHIP is just what I expect of him this season, as I expect him to revert back to his norm. ERA > 4.25; WHIP > 1.3. If I'm wrong, I'm happy to eat crow.
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Postby LBJackal » Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:27 pm

ramble2 wrote:So let me get this straight, you think it's a good sign that he won despite getting rocked today?


Yes. It's a good sign that even when he doesn't pitch good, he'll have a shot at getting wins. But I think he'll be better than he showed today. His control was obviously off, and when that gets back on track, I think he'll lower his WHIP to around 1.25, and get around 8 K/9. ERA is a craps shoot, so it could be anywhere. WHIP is much more consistent and a good indicator of how good a pitcher is, along with K/9. I'll be happy if everybody writes him off after 2 starts. These are the people who traded Roy Halladay for Kevin Brown. 2 starts is too early to come to conclusions about anybody, but it's nice to see people are using it as evidence Loaiza will flop.
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Postby ramble2 » Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:50 pm

LBJackal wrote:
ramble2 wrote:So let me get this straight, you think it's a good sign that he won despite getting rocked today?


Yes. It's a good sign that even when he doesn't pitch good, he'll have a shot at getting wins. But I think he'll be better than he showed today. His control was obviously off, and when that gets back on track, I think he'll lower his WHIP to around 1.25, and get around 8 K/9. ERA is a craps shoot, so it could be anywhere. WHIP is much more consistent and a good indicator of how good a pitcher is, along with K/9. I'll be happy if everybody writes him off after 2 starts. These are the people who traded Roy Halladay for Kevin Brown. 2 starts is too early to come to conclusions about anybody, but it's nice to see people are using it as evidence Loaiza will flop.


The evidence I'm using that he'll flop is his entire career. Last year was way off his norm. I think he reverts back to his usual self. Wins can be kind of a fluke stat (e.g., Russ Ortiz), but the White Sox better be able to put up a lot of runs every time he pitches if he wants to sniff 20 wins again.
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