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Re: Trade Cashner for Cingrani?

Postby MadDog36 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:05 pm

Cashner here.
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Re: Trade Cashner for Cingrani?

Postby MadDog36 » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:05 pm

Cashner here.
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Re: Trade Cashner for Cingrani?

Postby The Artful Dodger » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:11 pm

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Irish Drunk wrote:Cingrani has 2 pitches, I don't like his makeup long term. No way he can sustain those #'s in a hitters park like Cinci. Futhermore, as you mentioned he's at best a #4 pitcher after Latos, Bailey and Cueto. Cashner is ace of his staff, pitches in the spacious confines of Petco and is in his prime at 27. Will also see at least 8 more starts than Cingrani. No way do you make this trade to save $2.50.


Cingrani is more of a fastball thrower and it's true he should develop his offspeed pitches. I wouldn't discount him entirely based on that he's at best, a two pitch hurler. Kershaw was once a fastball-curveball pitcher until developing and incorporating a plus slider into his repertoire. Cingrani has good fastball movement, but of course, having an extra pitch or two makes him less predictable and more efficient in finishing off batters.

I like Cashner but with a limited cap ($140), and a few bucks carrying more value than usual, I'd take Cingrani.

And Kershaw is a heck of a lot more talented than Cingrani. There's no guarantee Cingrani will be able to develop a quality third pitch. In contrast Cashner has a fastball that touches 100mph, a slider, a changeup and a sinker and pitches in Petco. This is MLB good pitchers needs to rely on more than just 2 pitches to succeed long term. I guess we can agree to disagree here.

At the end of this season I will revisit this thread to see how it plays out.


I don't think we're disagreeing all that much, except for taking Cingrani over Cashner in a keeper for cheaper. I'd take Cashner for sure in a redraft. He has displayed better command than Cingrani and should see an increased K rate.

Where I disagree is discounting Cingrani on the basis that he can't develop a good breaking ball or changeup. Some scouting reports say Cingrani has a plus changeup, but didn't need to pitch with it often in AAA and when he was doing relief work.
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Re: Trade Cashner for Cingrani?

Postby blexann » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:30 pm

Cingrani is going to be a hight strike out high WHIP pitcher (possible career relief pitcher) whereas Cashner has more potential to be a top of the rotation pitcher.

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