5 Batting Categories + 6 Pitching Categories = Crazy? - Fantasy Baseball Cafe 2014 Fantasy Baseball Cafe
100% Deposit Bonus for Cafe Members!

Return to Baseball Leftovers

5 Batting Categories + 6 Pitching Categories = Crazy?

Moderator: Baseball Moderators

5 Batting Categories + 6 Pitching Categories = Crazy?

Postby Sticky Spice » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:09 pm

Last year was the inaugural season for our 15-team mixed keeper league. We started out with the following categories:

Batting - OBP, Total bases, RBI, R, SB, K
Pitching - QS, S, HD, ERA, WHIP, K

We were not fans of K for hitters. Did not add anything to the enjoyment for us and I think we all pretty much ignored it.

Now that we are considering dumping it, people are saying we need to cut a pitching category to "balance." But I say, what is there to balance? A batter can be a four or five category guy, and we have no problem with that. But at most a pitcher can really only be a four category guy (at one time).

Isn't it reasonable to say that the a) the categories would still be balanced with the removal of K for batters, and b) that WHIP is different enough from ERA that we should keep it?

Thank you for your input!
Last edited by Sticky Spice on Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:45 pm, edited 1 time in total.
“Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them.” --Henry David Thoreau
Sticky Spice
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar
Cafe Musketeer
Posts: 1158
(Past Year: 40)
Joined: 17 Feb 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: At the bottom of the Ancient Cave

Re: 5 Batting Categories + 6 Pitching Categories = Crazy?

Postby bigh0rt » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:44 pm

Why not just dump Hits Allowed for pitchers? It's already a component of WHIP. Unless your H is Holds, in which case, I'd just dump that too. That'll appease your league-mates who ask for 'balance' and won't really negatively impact the league. You're a 15-teamer, so you're probably scraping into the pool of setup men already. If you want to make sure those players are accounted for, require 3 RP or something like that.
Image
bigh0rt
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterGraphics ExpertMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyeInnovative MemberCafe MusketeerWeb SupporterPick 3 Weekly Winner
Posts: 24817
(Past Year: 353)
Joined: 3 Jun 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Crowding The Plate

Re: 5 Batting Categories + 6 Pitching Categories = Crazy?

Postby Sticky Spice » Wed Nov 13, 2013 5:48 pm

Yep, I meant holds. OP corrected.

We kinda liked having holds from what I understand. We originally had holds AND required RPs in the lineup, but the required RPs got nixed.
“Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them.” --Henry David Thoreau
Sticky Spice
Major League Manager
Major League Manager

User avatar
Cafe Musketeer
Posts: 1158
(Past Year: 40)
Joined: 17 Feb 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: At the bottom of the Ancient Cave

Re: 5 Batting Categories + 6 Pitching Categories = Crazy?

Postby ayebatter » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:06 pm

No not crazy, actually having balance within each component (batters-pitchers) is what you have with a 5/6 split, by having TB's in lieu of HR's you balance the offensive side by including doubles and triples and your pitching side is balanced between SP's & RP's by adding Holds. Lets face it there are as few big time SPs as there are big time HR hitters you've balanced the offensive stats with TB's and I see no issue with balancing the pitching stats.
So-Cal 25 Club _762_
ayebatter
Moderator
Moderator

User avatar
ModeratorCafeholicResponse TeamMock(ing) Drafter
Posts: 12202
(Past Year: 1361)
Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: I CAN SEE FOR MILES

Re: 5 Batting Categories + 6 Pitching Categories = Crazy?

Postby fast dogs » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:48 pm

5 & 6 is fine, don't drop WHIP
fast dogs
General Manager
General Manager

CafeholicResponse TeamMock(ing) Drafter
Posts: 2526
(Past Year: 303)
Joined: 16 Dec 2007
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: 5 Batting Categories + 6 Pitching Categories = Crazy?

Postby Mookie4ever » Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:12 pm

It just changes the balance in the league. Hitters are now worth more than the were before compared to hitters. So comparatively speaking Verlander's value went up compared to Cabrera's. Makes no difference unless this is a keeper league and I invested heavily in hitters over pitchers. If that is the case I would be pissed.

It also increases the value of some big whiff guys and decreases the value of guys that don't k
Image
Mookie4ever
Head Moderator
Head Moderator

User avatar
ModeratorCafeholicFantasy ExpertCafe WriterMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyeCafe SpotterHockey ModBasketball ModFootball ModMatchup Meltdown ChampionPick 3 Weekly WinnerSweet 16 SurvivorLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 19545
(Past Year: 280)
Joined: 17 Dec 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Hakuna, Montana

Re: 5 Batting Categories + 6 Pitching Categories = Crazy?

Postby Spidey » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:38 pm

You could always add a defensive category, like feilding %. Might even make some below fringe guys worth owning.
Spidey
College Coach
College Coach


Posts: 158
(Past Year: 18)
Joined: 2 Dec 2002
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: 5 Batting Categories + 6 Pitching Categories = Crazy?

Postby TheTrith » Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:20 am

Combining Saves and Holds into 1 category, or adding another hitting category seems like the best course of action.
TheTrith
Minor League Mentor
Minor League Mentor


Posts: 397
(Past Year: 281)
Joined: 19 Jun 2013
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: 5 Batting Categories + 6 Pitching Categories = Crazy?

Postby MaudDib » Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:01 pm

TheTrith wrote:Combining Saves and Holds into 1 category

I think this is what I would do. Not sure the reason for keeping it separate.
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move."- Douglas Adams

Image
MaudDib
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicResponse TeamCafe WriterCafe Ranker
Posts: 8016
(Past Year: 380)
Joined: 11 Mar 2007
Home Cafe: Baseball


Return to Baseball Leftovers

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: scarnicease, unioreimi and 9 guests

cron
Forums Articles & Tips Sleepers Rankings Leagues


Today's Games
Tuesday, Sep. 16
(All times are EST, weather icons show forecast for game time)

Toronto at Baltimore
(7:05 pm)
Boston at Pittsburgh
(7:05 pm)
Washington at Atlanta
(7:10 pm)
Miami at NY Mets
(7:10 pm)
NY Yankees at Tampa Bay
(7:10 pm)
indoors
Cincinnati at Chi Cubs
(8:05 pm)
Detroit at Minnesota
(8:10 pm)
Chi White Sox at Kansas City
(8:10 pm)
Cleveland at Houston
(8:10 pm)
Milwaukee at St. Louis
(8:15 pm)
LA Dodgers at Colorado
(8:40 pm)
San Francisco at Arizona
(9:40 pm)
Seattle at LA Angels
(10:05 pm)
Texas at Oakland
(10:05 pm)
Philadelphia at San Diego
(10:10 pm)

  • Fantasy Baseball
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact