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Re: 2014 Top 12. First Base.

Postby J35J » Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:50 pm

bigh0rt wrote:Maybe I'm conveniently forgetting, but this looks like the weakest/most volatile/shakiest/most questionable group of 1B, especially at the top end that we've seen in recent memory.


Yeah, offense is down all over the place.

Only 2 guys made it past 36 HR in all of baseball
Only 2 guys OPS'd over .990 in baseball (There have only been four 1.000+ OPS seasons in the last 3 years...if you add up the three years of 2000-2002 there was 40 of them)
Only 4 OFers had 100 RBI...none made it to 110
No Shortstop even made it to 85 RBI
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Re: 2014 Top 12. First Base.

Postby Ray Zorback » Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:30 pm

So, is this more proof that PEDs help hitters more than pitchers?
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Re: 2014 Top 12. First Base.

Postby ayebatter » Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:45 pm

Ray Zorback wrote:So, is this more proof that PEDs help hitters more than pitchers?


Nah it proves that the pitchers just haven't been caught yet. ;-)
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Re: 2014 Top 12. First Base.

Postby wrveres » Wed Oct 02, 2013 2:02 pm

bigh0rt wrote:Maybe I'm conveniently forgetting, but this looks like the weakest/most volatile/shakiest/most questionable group of 1B, especially at the top end that we've seen in recent memory.
that was my first impression too.
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Re: 2014 Top 12. First Base.

Postby Mookie4ever » Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:00 pm

I think that Davis is in the first tier all by himself.
Second tier would be EE, Freeman, Gold
Third tier of Trumbo, Fielder, Gonzalez, Votto
Ortiz is a DH.
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Re: 2014 Top 12. First Base.

Postby Pogotheostrich » Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:12 pm

wrveres wrote:Is Paul Goldschmidt the top first baseman in the game?

Yep. I can see some argueing for Davis based on HR or Votto in an OBP league but Goldy is the #1 1B on my board now.

A agree that Belt is frustrating to own cause he sits so much. Still because of that he will probably come a little cheaper. He has the potential to be just as good if not better than Freeman.

Napoli needs to be listed somewhere. I don't think he has C eligibility anymore.

I've got Ortiz in tier 3. Great year but 38 years old scares me.

I still believe in Rizzo. I think he will be cheap next year.

Is Butler 1B elligble?

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bigh0rt wrote:Maybe I'm conveniently forgetting, but this looks like the weakest/most volatile/shakiest/most questionable group of 1B, especially at the top end that we've seen in recent memory.
that was my first impression too.

Same here. It doesn't look very strong.
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Re: 2014 Top 12. First Base.

Postby wrveres » Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:32 pm

Pogotheostrich wrote:Napoli needs to be listed somewhere. I don't think he has C eligibility anymore.
is Butler 1B elligble?

Butler has 7 Games started at first, so he should have eligibility.
Good call on Napoli. Id stick him in that 3a grouping. Lets just call it 4.

wrveres wrote:Those are Teirs, not rounds.

1 Paul Goldschmidt
1 Chris Davis
1 Joey Votto

2 David Ortiz
2 Freddie Freeman
2 Edwin Encarnacion
2 Prince Fielder

3 Mark Trumbo
3 Eric Hosmer
3 Adrian Gonzalez
3 Allen Craig

4 Albert Pujols ?
4 Brandon Moss ?
4 Kendrys Morales ?
4 Anthony Rizzo ?
4 Mike Napoli ?

5 Michael Cuddyer ?
5 Brandon Bust ?
5 Billy Butler ?
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Re: 2014 Top 12. First Base.

Postby Element » Wed Oct 02, 2013 10:20 pm

If he can somehow end up with every day at bats where would you place Matt Adams?
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Re: 2014 Top 12. First Base.

Postby GiantsFan14 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:18 am

mac-unit wrote:
GiantsFan14 wrote:Belt should probably be after Pujols. Really looks like he finally put it together there in August and September. Power is probably limited to 20-25 in in AT&T, but he'll be batting 3rd and will probably hit around .280-.290. Also has double digit steal potential. Nothing spectacular, but pretty solid across all 5 cats I think.



He's still a hard player to own for your starting 1b since when you draft him you have to accept that he'll start 140 games at most. No matter how hot he is if they want to give Posey a day off from catching he's getting the nod at first. But after owning him this year, he'll definitely be someone I target for a IF/UTIL spot next season.


If Belt continues hitting they'll get him in the line up every day. Posey was getting some real days off at the end of the year and Belt could get some time in left depending on who they sign this offseason. Posey was struggling big time in the second half and I think they may have to start giving him true days off instead of the semi-days off at first.
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Re: 2014 Top 12. First Base.

Postby wrveres » Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:55 am

Those are Teirs, not rounds.
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1 Paul Goldschmidt
1 Chris Davis

2 Joey Votto
2 David Ortiz
2 Edwin Encarnacion

3 Freddie Freeman
3 Prince Fielder

4 Mark Trumbo
4 Adrian Gonzalez

5 Allen Craig
5 Albert Pujols

6 Eric Hosmer
6 Anthony Rizzo

7 Brandon Moss
7 Michael Cuddyer

7 Mike Napoli
7 Kendrys Morales

9 Brandon Bust
9 Billy Butler
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