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Made a trade, got vetoed, want some neutral opinions

Postby Ehlana » Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:40 pm

So I agreed to a trade this week in my keeper league:

I sent: Cano, Segura and two late draft picks (28th and 29th rounds) so essentially Cano and Segura.
I received: Kipnis (he'd fill in for Cano I suppose, but I also have Seager and Carpenter), Braun and 6th and 7th round picks (we keep 5, so these are useful picks for me).

The trade got vetoed, and I'm trying to see what reasons people had for it, but I'm looking for opinions on the trade. Cano and Segura would likely end up as keepers for the owner I traded with, Kipnis and Braun may or may not end up as keepers for me (one might, both wouldn't fit).

I feel that the other owner improved his team this year and I improved my situation next year (getting draft picks since I can't keep the 8 or 10 guys on my team that would be worthy of a keeper selection).

Was it really that lopsided? Obviously I think I got a good deal, that's the point making trades right? It just doesn't seem vetoable to me.

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2B (1): Cano
3B (1): Longoria
SS (1): Simmons
OF (4): Bautista, Carlos Gonzalez, Fowler, Holliday
Util (2): Ortiz, Berkman
Bench: Lucroy, Carpenter, Werth, Jose Reyes, Ike Davis, Ethier, Segura

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RP (2): Rivera, Nathan, Bailey, Henderson, Axford
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Re: Made a trade, got vetoed, want some neutral opinions

Postby teaaker » Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:37 pm

Obviously the Braun/Kipnis side is much better, plus you get picks. If I am in your league I'd be upset (or jealous? :D) but I would certainly not veto unless I have collusion evidence. I'm in a keeper and dynasty league and there are several "What was he thinking?" trades every year, but we always let them go through if there isn't collusion (which there never has been).

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Re: Made a trade, got vetoed, want some neutral opinions

Postby BaseballProf » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:28 am

Same as above. Shouldn't veto unless there's collusion. It's their fault for not taking advantage of the manager that you did! But yes, Kipnis and Braun is way better than Cano and Segura without any picks. Wayyy better.
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Re: Made a trade, got vetoed, want some neutral opinions

Postby BChinly » Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:23 am

Yeah Segura and Cano is still a solid package
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Re: Made a trade, got vetoed, want some neutral opinions

Postby angels7777 » Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:13 am

IMO Cano and Segura are 2 top notch keepers. You gave up a lot and who even knows Braun's future. More question marks on your side than his.
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Re: Made a trade, got vetoed, want some neutral opinions

Postby Ehlana » Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:58 am

Alright, so the general consensus is that I got the best of the deal (not surprising) but not vetoable. That matches with my thinking (obviously since I wouldn't make a trade I didn't think I was getting the better end of the deal in heh).
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Re: Made a trade, got vetoed, want some neutral opinions

Postby Skcl7274 » Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:06 pm

I really don't think it's that lopsided of a trade. Segura is a solid keeper in my opinion, and the fact that he plays short stop makes his value even higher. I do think your getting the better side of the deal, but I would not veto it.
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Re: Made a trade, got vetoed, want some neutral opinions

Postby thebearproooffsuit » Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:33 am

Not Vetoable.


Segura has a ton of value and who the hell knows what you are getting from Braun, plus he's out this year.


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Re: Made a trade, got vetoed, want some neutral opinions

Postby RasmusFlow » Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:49 am

I really don't know what would be going through someone's head to veto this trade. I'd personally rather have Cano and Segura in a keeper..
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Re: Made a trade, got vetoed, want some neutral opinions

Postby thatguysound » Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:42 am

I agree, it's not a veto-able trade IMO. Unless you plan on showing this thread to your league, though, I suspect that is just cold comfort.
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