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Postby J35J » Wed May 29, 2013 10:29 pm

Was just looking at some stuff, and not sure if you can find this stat anywhere but found it interesting. How many guys have more K's than Hits and Walks combined...see the last column.

PLAYER	      TEAM	  IP	  H	  BB	SO	WHIP	ERA	K/(H+BB)
Yu Darvish TEX 74.1 49 22 105 0.96 3.03 1.48
Matt Harvey NYM 78 47 17 84 0.82 1.85 1.31
Max Scherzer DET 68.1 47 16 81 0.92 3.42 1.29
Tony Cingrani CIN 33 25 9 41 1.03 3.27 1.21
Hisashi Iwakuma SEA 72.2 50 11 69 0.84 2.35 1.13
Anibal Sanchez DET 71 62 18 89 1.13 2.79 1.11
Clayton Kershaw LAD 80.1 49 21 77 0.87 1.68 1.10
A.J. Burnett PIT 76 54 29 89 1.09 2.72 1.07
Shelby Miller STL 62.1 45 16 65 0.98 2.02 1.07
Jeff Samardzija CHC 72.2 52 24 80 1.05 2.85 1.05
Chris Sale CHW 64 44 15 61 0.92 2.53 1.03
Drew Smyly DET 32.2 24 9 34 1.01 2.20 1.03
Mike Minor ATL 65.2 47 14 61 0.93 2.47 1.00
Jake Peavy CHW 60.2 48 15 63 1.04 2.97 1.00
Felix Hernandez SEA 75.1 69 13 81 1.09 2.51 0.99
Clay Buchholz BOS 72.2 49 27 73 1.05 1.73 0.96
Lance Lynn STL 67.1 49 25 70 1.10 2.94 0.95
Francisco Liriano PIT 23 22 8 28 1.30 2.35 0.93
Stephen Strasburg WSH 72.1 56 21 71 1.06 2.49 0.92
Madison Bumgarner SF 72 53 22 69 1.04 3.13 0.92
Justin Verlander DET 66 67 23 82 1.36 3.68 0.91
Johnny Cueto CIN 29.1 19 12 28 1.06 2.76 0.90
Adam Wainwright STL 80 76 6 74 1.03 2.48 0.90
Justin Masterson CLE 82 63 31 83 1.15 3.07 0.88
James Shields KC 79 64 20 73 1.06 2.96 0.87
Homer Bailey CIN 64.1 55 18 63 1.13 3.08 0.86
Alex Cobb TB 67.2 58 14 62 1.06 2.66 0.86
Matt Moore TB 61 39 28 56 1.10 2.21 0.84
John Lackey BOS 45.2 40 14 45 1.18 2.96 0.83
Derek Holland TEX 66.2 60 17 64 1.16 2.97 0.83
Hyun-Jin Ryu LAD 71.2 59 22 67 1.13 2.89 0.83
Corey Kluber CLE 41.1 45 7 43 1.26 4.57 0.83
Ryan Dempster BOS 62.2 55 32 71 1.39 4.45 0.82
Hector Santiago CHW 43 36 17 43 1.23 3.14 0.81
Cliff Lee PHI 80.2 65 13 63 0.97 2.34 0.81
Patrick Corbin ARI 68.1 50 20 56 1.02 1.71 0.80
Jose Fernandez MIA 52.1 44 21 52 1.24 3.78 0.80
Matt Cain SF 68.1 57 24 62 1.19 5.00 0.77
Ubaldo Jimenez CLE 51.2 44 26 53 1.35 5.57 0.76
Tim Lincecum SF 60.2 58 27 64 1.40 4.75 0.75
Jon Lester BOS 72.2 62 19 60 1.11 3.34 0.74
Gio Gonzalez WSH 64.2 51 30 60 1.25 3.90 0.74
Ervin Santana KC 70.1 66 11 57 1.09 3.33 0.74
David Phelps NYY 50.1 48 20 50 1.35 4.65 0.74
Dan Straily OAK 39 32 13 33 1.15 5.08 0.73
Cole Hamels PHI 69 62 25 63 1.26 4.43 0.72
Tommy Milone OAK 64 64 12 55 1.19 3.80 0.72
Scott Feldman CHC 60.2 52 19 51 1.17 2.82 0.72
Mat Latos CIN 71.2 67 20 62 1.21 3.01 0.71
Ricky Nolasco MIA 69 65 14 56 1.14 3.65 0.71
Marco Estrada MIL 65.1 67 17 59 1.29 4.96 0.70
Aaron Harang SEA 37.1 43 7 35 1.34 6.51 0.70
Roy Halladay PHI 34.1 33 17 35 1.46 8.65 0.70
Roberto Hernandez TB 57.1 57 16 50 1.27 4.87 0.68
Wandy Rodriguez PIT 55.1 51 9 41 1.08 3.58 0.68
Shaun Marcum NYM 34.1 39 8 32 1.37 5.77 0.68
Hiroki Kuroda NYY 67.2 54 14 46 1.00 2.39 0.68
A.J. Griffin OAK 63.1 59 17 51 1.20 3.84 0.67
Travis Wood CHC 66 44 22 44 1.00 2.73 0.67
Scott Kazmir CLE 33.1 41 14 36 1.65 5.94 0.65
Jordan Zimmermann WSH 79.2 65 10 49 0.94 2.37 0.65
Jose Quintana CHW 57.2 50 18 44 1.18 3.75 0.65
Felix Doubront BOS 49.1 56 26 53 1.66 5.29 0.65
Doug Fister DET 61.2 68 10 50 1.26 3.65 0.64
Carlos Villanueva CHC 56.2 48 16 41 1.13 3.65 0.64
C.J. Wilson LAA 68.1 68 32 64 1.46 3.95 0.64
Phil Hughes NYY 54.1 62 13 48 1.38 4.97 0.64
CC Sabathia NYY 72.2 80 16 61 1.32 3.96 0.64
Josh Beckett LAD 43.1 50 15 41 1.50 5.19 0.63
Edwin Jackson CHC 53 61 22 52 1.57 6.11 0.63
Jeremy Hellickson TB 69 66 19 53 1.23 5.61 0.62
David Price TB 55 65 14 49 1.44 5.24 0.62
Erik Bedard HOU 42.1 46 22 42 1.61 5.31 0.62
Ian Kennedy ARI 61.1 58 23 50 1.32 4.70 0.62
Brett Anderson OAK 29 32 15 29 1.62 6.21 0.62
Rick Porcello DET 51 55 10 40 1.27 5.29 0.62
R.A. Dickey TOR 68.2 62 31 57 1.35 4.85 0.61
Andrew Cashner SD 50.2 45 17 38 1.22 3.38 0.61
Andy Pettitte NYY 49.1 49 15 39 1.30 3.83 0.61
Justin Grimm TEX 46.2 54 14 41 1.46 4.05 0.60
Kevin Slowey MIA 62.2 66 12 47 1.24 3.59 0.60
Chris Tillman BAL 63.1 65 22 52 1.37 4.26 0.60
Dan Haren WSH 56.1 68 9 46 1.37 5.43 0.60
Jaime Garcia STL 55.1 57 15 43 1.30 3.58 0.60
Alexi Ogando TEX 49.2 43 19 37 1.25 3.08 0.60
Paul Maholm ATL 67.1 65 21 51 1.28 3.74 0.59
Nick Tepesch TEX 48.2 49 14 37 1.29 3.88 0.59
Jeff Locke PIT 58.2 42 25 39 1.14 2.45 0.58
Trevor Cahill ARI 72 58 26 48 1.17 2.88 0.57
Zach McAllister CLE 61.1 61 18 45 1.29 3.08 0.57
Jeremy Hefner NYM 57 54 20 42 1.30 4.74 0.57
Bartolo Colon OAK 61.1 65 4 39 1.13 3.82 0.57
Jerome Williams LAA 52.1 45 14 33 1.13 2.58 0.56
Jhoulys Chacin COL 55.1 49 18 37 1.21 3.90 0.55
Mike Leake CIN 62.2 67 15 45 1.31 3.02 0.55
Tim Hudson ATL 62 65 17 45 1.32 5.37 0.55
Miguel Gonzalez BAL 48 45 17 34 1.29 3.94 0.55
Garrett Richards LAA 41 41 12 29 1.29 5.27 0.55
Kris Medlen ATL 64.2 64 24 48 1.36 3.48 0.55
Jeff Francis COL 36 43 14 31 1.58 6.00 0.54
Yovani Gallardo MIL 62 69 23 50 1.48 4.79 0.54
Kyle Lohse MIL 55 60 10 37 1.27 3.76 0.53
Jason Hammel BAL 65 73 22 50 1.46 4.98 0.53
Wade Miley ARI 57.2 59 21 42 1.39 4.53 0.53
Brandon Morrow TOR 54.1 63 18 42 1.49 5.63 0.52
Kyle Kendrick PHI 71.2 68 21 45 1.24 3.27 0.51
Ryan Vogelsong SF 46.1 62 18 40 1.73 7.19 0.50
Mark Buehrle TOR 67 73 20 46 1.39 5.51 0.49
Juan Nicasio COL 51.1 50 19 34 1.34 4.38 0.49
Bronson Arroyo CIN 72 71 13 41 1.17 3.75 0.49
Eric Stults SD 59.2 61 17 38 1.31 4.22 0.49
Luis Mendoza KC 46.2 49 20 33 1.48 4.63 0.48
Jorge De La Rosa COL 62.2 58 22 38 1.28 3.16 0.48
Jarrod Parker OAK 61.2 68 26 44 1.52 5.40 0.47
Julio Teheran ATL 56.1 63 12 35 1.33 3.67 0.47
Jason Vargas LAA 65.2 67 24 42 1.39 3.43 0.46
Brandon McCarthy ARI 64 76 10 39 1.34 4.36 0.45
Edinson Volquez SD 62.1 65 28 41 1.49 5.20 0.44
Wade Davis KC 52 73 24 42 1.87 5.71 0.43
Dillon Gee NYM 49.2 69 17 37 1.73 6.34 0.43
Wade LeBlanc MIA 47 61 15 31 1.62 5.36 0.41
Jason Marquis SD 58.1 52 32 34 1.44 3.70 0.40
Bud Norris HOU 63 72 23 38 1.51 3.71 0.40
Barry Zito SF 56.2 69 17 34 1.52 4.13 0.40
Dylan Axelrod CHW 57.2 58 16 29 1.28 4.21 0.39
Jeremy Guthrie KC 66.2 66 21 34 1.31 3.92 0.39
Brandon Maurer SEA 49.1 66 17 32 1.68 6.93 0.39
Joe Blanton LAA 63.2 100 13 41 1.77 5.94 0.36
Jonathon Niese NYM 61.1 69 28 35 1.58 4.40 0.36
Wily Peralta MIL 56.2 74 24 34 1.73 6.35 0.35
Alex Sanabia MIA 55.1 69 25 31 1.70 4.88 0.33
Lucas Harrell HOU 58 69 33 33 1.76 5.43 0.32
Joe Saunders SEA 57.2 73 22 29 1.65 6.09 0.31
Jon Garland COL 57 73 19 28 1.61 5.05 0.30



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Re: Playing with numbers

Postby Tavish » Thu May 30, 2013 3:10 am

Surprisingly Matt Kemp has more H + BB than Ks. I'm completely shocked.
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Re: Playing with numbers

Postby Skin Blues » Thu May 30, 2013 7:48 am

I think this is not very useful. It's essentially just including BABIP in a valuation which at such small sample sizes makes very little sense. I understand wanting to include some sort of "hittability" factor and not just look at strikeouts and walks because of outliers like Joe Blanton, but including hits muddies the water even more. It's also saying that hits are on par with walks and Ks, which is not true. 1 walk is far worse than 1 hit (from a pitchers perspective), and one strikeout is far better than -1 Hit. I just don't see what this accomplishes.
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Re: Playing with numbers

Postby J35J » Thu May 30, 2013 8:13 am

Skin Blues wrote:I think this is not very useful. It's essentially just including BABIP in a valuation which at such small sample sizes makes very little sense. I understand wanting to include some sort of "hittability" factor and not just look at strikeouts and walks because of outliers like Joe Blanton, but including hits muddies the water even more. It's also saying that hits are on par with walks and Ks, which is not true. 1 walk is far worse than 1 hit (from a pitchers perspective), and one strikeout is far better than -1 Hit. I just don't see what this accomplishes.


Well, it wasn't really supposed to be anything magical. Is it really any less useful than a handful of other individual stats out there when looked at by themselves? I was just curious how many strikeouts a guy has compared to how many base runners he's giving up. And yes, it's a small sample right now...most stats are small samples right now. Quit hatin'
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Re: Playing with numbers

Postby Skin Blues » Thu May 30, 2013 8:34 am

My apologies. I thought when you said "discuss" that you wanted an actual discussion. By all means use this data for whatever purpose you want.
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Re: Playing with numbers

Postby J35J » Thu May 30, 2013 9:49 am

Skin Blues wrote:My apologies. I thought when you said "discuss" that you wanted an actual discussion. By all means use this data for whatever purpose you want.


Nah, your idea of discuss and mine are a little different I guess. I was just trying to bring up things to talk about...you destroyed it for reasons well beyond anything I was really trying to accomplish with it, to the point where if anyone else really wanted to discuss anything else about it that you shut the door on it as if anyone gave it any meaningful thought they were idiots because the "stat" is the most pointless thing to even consider...no, that's not really what I was looking for, thanks for playing as usual though.
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Re: Playing with numbers

Postby bigh0rt » Thu May 30, 2013 10:01 am

Matt Harvey isn't ranked nearly high enough on this list...

J, do you have this info for all of 2012? Curious to compare the # of guys on each list.
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Re: Playing with numbers

Postby J35J » Thu May 30, 2013 10:13 am

2012 Numbers...


PLAYER	     TEAM	 IP      H      BB     SO       WHIP     ERA     K/(H+BB)
Stephen Strasburg WSH 159.1 136 48 197 1.15 3.16 1.07
Clayton Kershaw LAD 227.2 170 63 229 1.02 2.53 0.98
Max Scherzer DET 187.2 179 60 231 1.27 3.74 0.97
Kris Medlen ATL 138 103 23 120 0.91 1.57 0.95
Justin Verlander DET 238.1 192 60 239 1.06 2.64 0.95
R.A. Dickey NYM 233.2 192 54 230 1.05 2.73 0.93
Gio Gonzalez WSH 199.1 149 76 207 1.13 2.89 0.92
Marco Estrada MIL 138.1 129 29 143 1.14 3.64 0.91
Yu Darvish TEX 191.1 156 89 221 1.28 3.90 0.90

Cole Hamels PHI 215.1 190 52 216 1.12 3.05 0.89
David Price TB 211 173 59 205 1.10 2.56 0.88
Cliff Lee PHI 211 207 28 207 1.11 3.16 0.88
Chris Sale CHW 192 167 51 192 1.14 3.05 0.88
CC Sabathia NYY 200 184 44 197 1.14 3.38 0.86
Matt Cain SF 219.1 177 51 193 1.04 2.79 0.85
Jeff Samardzija CHC 174.2 157 56 180 1.22 3.81 0.85
Felix Hernandez SEA 232 209 56 223 1.14 3.06 0.84
Mike Fiers MIL 127.2 125 36 135 1.26 3.74 0.84
James Shields TB 227.2 208 58 223 1.17 3.52 0.84
Madison Bumgarner SF 208.1 183 49 191 1.11 3.37 0.82
Colby Lewis TEX 105 99 14 93 1.08 3.43 0.82
Jake Peavy CHW 219 191 49 194 1.10 3.37 0.81
David Phelps NYY 99.2 81 38 96 1.19 3.34 0.81

Zack Greinke LAA/MIL 212.1 200 54 200 1.20 3.48 0.79
Matt Garza CHC 103.2 90 32 96 1.18 3.91 0.79
Brandon Morrow TOR 124.2 98 41 108 1.11 2.96 0.78
Lance Lynn STL 176 168 64 180 1.32 3.78 0.78
Jason Hammel BAL 118 104 42 113 1.24 3.43 0.77
Carlos Villanueva TOR 125.1 113 46 122 1.27 4.16 0.77
Yovani Gallardo MIL 204 185 81 204 1.30 3.66 0.77
Mat Latos CIN 209.1 179 64 185 1.16 3.48 0.76
Drew Smyly DET 99.1 93 33 94 1.27 3.99 0.75
Adam Wainwright STL 198.2 196 52 184 1.25 3.94 0.74
Jered Weaver LAA 188.2 147 45 142 1.02 2.81 0.74
Ryan Dempster TEX/CHC 173 155 52 153 1.20 3.38 0.74
Matt Moore TB 177.1 158 81 175 1.35 3.81 0.73
Edwin Jackson WSH 189.2 173 58 168 1.22 4.03 0.73
Francisco Liriano CHW/MIN 156.2 143 87 167 1.47 5.34 0.73
A.J. Burnett PIT 202.1 189 62 180 1.24 3.51 0.72
Felix Doubront BOS 161 162 71 167 1.45 4.86 0.72
Bud Norris HOU 168.1 165 66 165 1.37 4.65 0.71
Johan Santana NYM 117 117 39 111 1.33 4.85 0.71
Doug Fister DET 161.2 156 37 137 1.19 3.45 0.71
J.A. Happ TOR/HOU 144.2 147 56 144 1.40 4.79 0.71
Dillon Gee NYM 109.2 108 29 97 1.25 4.10 0.71
Josh Collmenter ARI 90.1 92 22 80 1.26 3.69 0.70
Mike Minor ATL 179.1 151 56 145 1.15 4.12 0.70
James McDonald PIT 171 147 69 151 1.26 4.21 0.70
Tim Lincecum SF 186 183 90 190 1.47 5.18 0.70
Jonathon Niese NYM 190.1 174 49 155 1.17 3.40 0.70

Shaun Marcum MIL 124 116 41 109 1.27 3.70 0.69
Jake Arrieta BAL 114.2 122 35 109 1.37 6.20 0.69
Roy Halladay PHI 156.1 155 36 132 1.22 4.49 0.69
Ian Kennedy ARI 208.1 216 55 187 1.30 4.02 0.69
Joe Blanton LAD/PHI 191 207 34 166 1.26 4.71 0.69
Phil Hughes NYY 191.1 196 46 165 1.26 4.23 0.68
Ryan Vogelsong SF 189.2 171 62 158 1.23 3.37 0.68
Derek Holland TEX 175.1 162 52 145 1.22 4.67 0.68
Josh Johnson MIA 191.1 180 65 165 1.28 3.81 0.67
Anibal Sanchez DET/MIA 195.2 200 48 167 1.27 3.86 0.67
Chris Capuano LAD 198.1 188 54 162 1.22 3.72 0.67
Johnny Cueto CIN 217 205 49 170 1.17 2.78 0.67
Jordan Zimmermann WSH 195.2 186 43 153 1.17 2.94 0.67
Chad Billingsley LAD 149.2 148 45 128 1.29 3.55 0.66
Edinson Volquez SD 182.2 160 105 174 1.45 4.14 0.66
Hiroki Kuroda NYY 219.2 205 51 167 1.17 3.32 0.65
Homer Bailey CIN 208 206 52 168 1.24 3.68 0.65
Zach McAllister CLE 125.1 133 38 110 1.36 4.24 0.64
Erik Bedard PIT 125.2 129 56 118 1.47 5.01 0.64
Travis Wood CHC 156 133 54 119 1.20 4.27 0.64
C.J. Wilson LAA 202.1 181 91 173 1.34 3.83 0.64
Tommy Hanson ATL 174.2 183 71 161 1.45 4.48 0.63
Wei-Yin Chen BAL 192.2 186 57 154 1.26 4.02 0.63
Hisashi Iwakuma SEA 125.1 117 43 101 1.28 3.16 0.63
Gavin Floyd CHW 168 166 63 144 1.36 4.29 0.63
Wade Miley ARI 194.2 193 37 144 1.18 3.33 0.63
Anthony Bass SD 97 89 39 80 1.32 4.73 0.63
Alex Cobb TB 136.1 130 40 106 1.25 4.03 0.62
Dan Haren LAA 176.2 190 38 142 1.29 4.33 0.62
Kyle Lohse STL 211 192 38 143 1.09 2.86 0.62
Ivan Nova NYY 170.1 194 56 153 1.47 5.02 0.61
Jarrod Parker OAK 181.1 166 63 140 1.26 3.47 0.61
Paul Maholm ATL/CHC 189 178 53 140 1.22 3.67 0.61
Patrick Corbin ARI 107 117 25 86 1.33 4.54 0.61
Freddy Garcia NYY 107.1 112 35 89 1.37 5.20 0.61
Trevor Cahill ARI 200 184 74 156 1.29 3.78 0.60

Jaime Garcia STL 121.2 136 30 98 1.36 3.92 0.59
Ervin Santana LAA 178 165 61 133 1.27 5.16 0.59
Jon Lester BOS 205.1 216 68 166 1.38 4.82 0.58
Josh Beckett BOS/LAD 170.1 174 52 132 1.33 4.65 0.58
Drew Pomeranz COL 96.2 97 46 83 1.48 4.93 0.58
Kyle Kendrick PHI 159.1 154 49 116 1.27 3.90 0.57
Tommy Milone OAK 190 207 36 137 1.28 3.74 0.56
Jerome Williams LAA 137.2 139 35 98 1.26 4.58 0.56
Scott Feldman TEX 123.2 139 32 96 1.38 5.09 0.56
Jeremy Hellickson TB 177 163 59 124 1.25 3.10 0.56
Jason Vargas SEA 217.1 201 55 141 1.18 3.85 0.55
Luke Hochevar KC 185.1 202 61 144 1.42 5.73 0.55
Philip Humber CHW 102 113 44 85 1.54 6.44 0.54
Bruce Chen KC 191.2 215 47 140 1.37 5.07 0.53
Wandy Rodriguez HOU/PIT 205.2 205 56 139 1.27 3.76 0.53
Vance Worley PHI 133 154 47 107 1.51 4.20 0.53
Lucas Harrell HOU 193.2 185 78 140 1.36 3.76 0.53
Justin Masterson CLE 206.1 212 88 159 1.45 4.93 0.53
Brian Matusz BAL 98 112 41 81 1.56 4.87 0.53
Bronson Arroyo CIN 202 209 35 129 1.21 3.74 0.53
Mark Buehrle MIA 202.1 197 40 125 1.17 3.74 0.53
Ross Detwiler WSH 164.1 149 52 105 1.22 3.40 0.52
Aaron Harang LAD 179.2 167 85 131 1.40 3.61 0.52
Chris Young NYM 115 119 36 80 1.35 4.15 0.52
Clay Buchholz BOS 189.1 187 64 129 1.33 4.56 0.51
Ubaldo Jimenez CLE 176.2 190 95 143 1.61 5.40 0.50

Bartolo Colon OAK 152.1 161 23 91 1.21 3.43 0.49
Matt Harrison TEX 213.1 210 59 133 1.26 3.29 0.49
Jordan Lyles HOU 141.1 159 42 99 1.42 5.09 0.49
Jason Marquis MIN/SD 127.2 146 42 91 1.47 5.22 0.48
Carlos Zambrano MIA 132.1 123 75 95 1.50 4.49 0.48
Mike Leake CIN 179 201 41 116 1.35 4.58 0.48
Ricky Nolasco MIA 191 214 47 125 1.37 4.48 0.48
Joe Saunders BAL/ARI 174.2 195 39 112 1.34 4.07 0.48
Kevin Millwood SEA 161 168 56 107 1.39 4.25 0.48
Tim Hudson ATL 179 168 48 102 1.21 3.62 0.47
Barry Zito SF 184.1 186 70 114 1.39 4.15 0.45
Luis Mendoza KC 166 176 59 104 1.42 4.23 0.44
Jose Quintana CHW 136.1 142 42 81 1.35 3.76 0.44
Jake Westbrook STL 174.2 191 52 106 1.39 3.97 0.44
Randy Wolf BAL/MIL 157.2 196 52 104 1.57 5.65 0.42
Scott Diamond MIN 173 184 31 90 1.24 3.54 0.42
Ricky Romero TOR 181 198 105 124 1.67 5.77 0.41
Kevin Correia PIT 171 176 46 89 1.30 4.21 0.40
Clayton Richard SD 218.2 228 42 107 1.23 3.99 0.40
Rick Porcello DET 176.1 226 44 107 1.53 4.59 0.40
Jeremy Guthrie KC/COL 181.2 206 50 101 1.41 4.76 0.39
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Re: Playing with numbers

Postby Skin Blues » Thu May 30, 2013 10:15 am

J35J wrote:
Skin Blues wrote:My apologies. I thought when you said "discuss" that you wanted an actual discussion. By all means use this data for whatever purpose you want.


Nah, your idea of discuss and mine are a little different I guess. I was just trying to bring up things to talk about...you destroyed it for reasons well beyond anything I was really trying to accomplish with it, to the point where if anyone else really wanted to discuss anything else about it that you shut the door on it as if anyone gave it any meaningful thought they were idiots because the "stat" is the most pointless thing to even consider...no, that's not really what I was looking for, thanks for playing as usual though.

To be honest this is like saying "hey, lets talk about the validity of creationism" in a forum full of evolutionary biologists and then getting upset that it's dismissed. I still don't get what you were trying to accomplish with looking at K/(BB+H) but if you actually want to discuss it then I'm more than willing, I love investigating and talking about numbers as they relate to baseball.
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Re: Playing with numbers

Postby J35J » Thu May 30, 2013 10:25 am

Skin Blues wrote:
J35J wrote:
Skin Blues wrote:My apologies. I thought when you said "discuss" that you wanted an actual discussion. By all means use this data for whatever purpose you want.


Nah, your idea of discuss and mine are a little different I guess. I was just trying to bring up things to talk about...you destroyed it for reasons well beyond anything I was really trying to accomplish with it, to the point where if anyone else really wanted to discuss anything else about it that you shut the door on it as if anyone gave it any meaningful thought they were idiots because the "stat" is the most pointless thing to even consider...no, that's not really what I was looking for, thanks for playing as usual though.

To be honest this is like saying "hey, lets talk about the validity of creationism" in a forum full of evolutionary biologists and then getting upset that it's dismissed. I still don't get what you were trying to accomplish with looking at K/(BB+H) but if you actually want to discuss it then I'm more than willing, I love investigating and talking about numbers as they relate to baseball.


I guess to put it better, your response would have been perfect if I would have posted...

"Hey guys, check out this new revolutionary stat that will replace all other stats. It's as awesome as they come and it's perfect, you'd be silly not to agree. I'm going to take over the SABR world with this and you all will kneel at my feet before it's over...."

But no, this was literally a 90 second thought in my head, that I decided to go ahead and throw in a spreadsheet to see how it looked. Then I figured, hey, maybe it will spark a discussion at the cafe, I'll post it there real quick and see if anything good comes of it. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Today's Games
Tuesday, Jul. 29
(All times are EST, weather icons show forecast for game time)

LA Angels at Baltimore
(7:05 pm)
Seattle at Cleveland
(7:05 pm)
Chi White Sox at Detroit
(7:08 pm)
Milwaukee at Tampa Bay
(7:10 pm)
indoors
Philadelphia at NY Mets
(7:10 pm)
Washington at Miami
(7:10 pm)
indoors
Arizona at Cincinnati
(7:10 pm)
Toronto at Boston
(7:10 pm)
Colorado at Chi Cubs
(8:05 pm)
NY Yankees at Texas
(8:05 pm)
Oakland at Houston
(8:10 pm)
Minnesota at Kansas City
(8:10 pm)
Atlanta at LA Dodgers
(10:10 pm)
St. Louis at San Diego
(10:10 pm)
Pittsburgh at San Francisco
(10:15 pm)

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