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Re: Puig Watch

Postby silentjim » Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:45 pm

Skin Blues wrote:
lastingsgriller wrote:I feel that I have to point something out here; the fact that their current outfield makes 55M a year means absolutely nothing about playing time. That is a sunk cost. They pay it whether they start or not. Mattingly's only job is to out the team on the field that will win the baseball games.

This would be more believable if Mattingly wasn't forced into letting Brandon League be the closer for the first two months of the season. I completely agree Puig should be playing full-time, and I imagine Ethier will either be benched or traded (good luck) or they could get creative and try to get Puig to learn 3B. Between Crawford and Kemp, they might be able to stash one of the OFs on the DL for quite a while though.


The problem is in order for Ethier to get traded, he needs to be playing. Not saying Puig doesn't get playing time, but multiple OF and lots of money already spent doesn't help the situation.
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Re: Puig Watch

Postby jefferey13 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:24 am

Puig has been in 20 games and the dodgers have won 10 of those.... I swear that should make his WAR 10. It seems like his AB's are winning every game.
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Re: Puig Watch

Postby SpecialFNK » Wed Jul 03, 2013 9:58 pm

Puig an all star?
"absolute joke".
^ words from Phillies closer Jonathan Papelbon.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/allstar13/story/ ... -team-joke
Yasiel Puig is garnering serious All-Star consideration thanks to an outstanding month that has helped turn around the Los Angeles Dodgers' season.
But Jonathan Papelbon, for one, apparently thinks including Puig on the National League All-Star team would be a big mistake.

"To me, it's an absolute joke," Papelbon told MLB Network Radio when asked about Puig's All-Star candidacy. "It's really kind of stupid if you ask me."

The 22-year-old Puig has taken the majors by storm since debuting with the Dodgers on June 2, batting .443 with eight home runs and 17 RBIs in 27 games, including three more hits and a home run on Tuesday.

The Dodgers have gone 16-11 since Puig's arrival, rebounding from a rough start to climb back into contention in the NL West.

But Papelbon, who reportedly struggled to pronounce Puig's name correctly during his interview with MLB Network Radio, believes that the Cuban outfielder has not played in the majors long enough to warrant an All-Star spot.

"The guy's got a month, I don't even think he's got a month in the big leagues," Papelbon said during the interview. "Just comparing him to this and that, and saying he's going to make the All-Star team, that's a joke to me.

"It's just really what happens in baseball when … to me it really does an injustice to the veteran players that have been in the game for eight-, nine-, 10-plus years. It kind of does them an injustice because they've worked so hard to stay there."

A nine-year veteran and five-time All-Star, Papelbon has a 2.05 ERA and 15 saves this season. The Philadelphia Phillies closer did not pitch against the Dodgers this past weekend, when Puig went 7-for-16 and scored five runs in the four-game series.

Dodgers manager Don Mattingly said Wednesday that he is "not sure" whether Puig should play in the All-Star Game.

"Every day he does something unbelievable," Mattingly said during an interview with ESPN Radio's Colin Cowherd on "The Herd.

"He's making more and more of a case that he's a guy who should at least be looked at. I still think you have to earn that berth. But he's shown if he had been up earlier, he would have been a guy that everyone would have been talking about that would have been up there for sure."

Mattingly actually has more of an issue with the All-Star Game deciding home-field advantage in the World Series. He believes if the All-Star Game was nothing more than an exhibition, it would be easier to include a player like Puig.

"For me, the All-Star Game should go back to being an exhibition so it can be something where we could have some of the best players and If something magical is going on like Yasiel Puig, you put him in it," Mattingly said. "But the problem is they say this game matters, and it changes who gets home-field advantage in the World Series -- and to me, I don't like that."



I can see where Papelbon is coming from.
coming into tonight Puig has 27 games. he has a line of .443/.473/.745/1.219/ 8 HR/ 17 HR/ 21 R/ 4 SB.
27 games.
here is a line from another player who had 26 game stretch this season. .305/.411/.621/1.032/ 8 HR/ 15 RBI/ 20 R/ 4 SB. who is that? Dexter Fowler from April. are people arguing over whether Dexter Fowler should make the all star team?

but then again it's an exhibition game for the fans, so it doesn't really matter who is on the team.
but then again again there are players who get recognition from all star selections. like at the end of a career they can say this player had X number of all star selections, and that's something that could be used to help or hurt one's HOF chances.

thoughts?
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Re: Puig Watch

Postby bigh0rt » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:06 pm

My thoughts are I'd love to see him in the game, but my notion for what qualifies an All-Star is very different than most. I don't care if the players who had the best first half of the season are in the game or not.
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Re: Puig Watch

Postby TheTrith » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:36 pm

"For me, the All-Star Game should go back to being an exhibition so it can be something where we could have some of the best players and If something magical is going on like Yasiel Puig, you put him in it," Mattingly said. "But the problem is they say this game matters, and it changes who gets home-field advantage in the World Series -- and to me, I don't like that."

This is Mattingly thinking about it completely backwards, just like he does everything else.

Logic says that since the game is supposedly being played for the win above all else, then the best players RIGHT NOW should be included. If the guy can help the team win, he should be on the team.
But Mattingly says a player like Puig, who is in the middle of one of the best 30 day stretches MLB has seen so far this season, should only be included in an exhibition, where the result doesn't matter one bit.

How does that make any sense? If the result doesn't matter THEN you can bring in all the vets that have nothing more to offer than their reputation.

I don't think he should even qualify for the allstar game personally. If there is not some minimum qualifier stating a player must appear in at lest X% of his teams games in order to be considered for the roster, there should be.
Great month, but a guy who plays in 35 games is not an Allstar.
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Re: Puig Watch

Postby wingman3110 » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:38 pm

He's human. Injured tonight. Sounds like its just day to day
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Re: Puig Watch

Postby mayor quimby » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:53 pm

TheTrith wrote:
"For me, the All-Star Game should go back to being an exhibition so it can be something where we could have some of the best players and If something magical is going on like Yasiel Puig, you put him in it," Mattingly said. "But the problem is they say this game matters, and it changes who gets home-field advantage in the World Series -- and to me, I don't like that."

This is Mattingly thinking about it completely backwards, just like he does everything else.

Logic says that since the game is supposedly being played for the win above all else, then the best players RIGHT NOW should be included. If the guy can help the team win, he should be on the team.
But Mattingly says a player like Puig, who is in the middle of one of the best 30 day stretches MLB has seen so far this season, should only be included in an exhibition, where the result doesn't matter one bit.

How does that make any sense? If the result doesn't matter THEN you can bring in all the vets that have nothing more to offer than their reputation.

I don't think he should even qualify for the allstar game personally. If there is not some minimum qualifier stating a player must appear in at lest X% of his teams games in order to be considered for the roster, there should be.
Great month, but a guy who plays in 35 games is not an Allstar.



The BBWAA does not give a XXXX about all star selections. They know it's a popularity contest.


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Re: Puig Watch

Postby Carnac » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:02 am

Do any players have clauses in their contract that offer bonuses for making the all-star game? If so, then it does matter. Don't know if that is the case.
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Re: Puig Watch

Postby SpecialFNK » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:15 am

Carnac wrote:Do any players have clauses in their contract that offer bonuses for making the all-star game? If so, then it does matter. Don't know if that is the case.


there are players that get a bonus if they are selected to an all star game.

couple examples.
Curtis Granderson.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compe ... k-yankees/
award bonuses: $25,000 each for All Star

Matt Holliday.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compe ... cardinals/
$25,000 for All Star selection
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Re: Puig Watch

Postby mac-unit » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:21 pm

Carnac wrote:Do any players have clauses in their contract that offer bonuses for making the all-star game? If so, then it does matter. Don't know if that is the case.


That doesn't change it from being a popularity contest. Any agent won't let their client have that clause unless they had a chance to get in regardless of how well they are playing.
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