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Postby bigh0rt » Sat May 04, 2013 1:40 pm

lastingsgriller wrote:Why would you want Lester over the 2013 NL cy young award winner?

When did Matt Harvey get brought up??
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Re: Cingrani Time!

Postby isayfujobu » Sat May 04, 2013 2:54 pm

Been watching off and on, he has zero feel for the curve today. Not good against a dead-red fastball hitter like Soriano. Sometimes it floats right in, sometimes it hits Rizzo right in the back. He's going to be nasty when he develops either that or a true change.
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Postby rjforlife » Sat May 04, 2013 3:01 pm

Even so, 6 innings and he gives up just 3 hits and a walk and strikes out 5. 4 er, but overall he was rock solid considering the stuff he had. I'm encouraged.
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Re: Cingrani Time!

Postby kimchi_chigae » Sat May 04, 2013 3:10 pm

isayfujobu wrote:Been watching off and on, he has zero feel for the curve today. Not good against a dead-red fastball hitter like Soriano. Sometimes it floats right in, sometimes it hits Rizzo right in the back. He's going to be nasty when he develops either that or a true change.


The curve got better later in the game. He seems to be throwing it a little more than he was on his first couple of starts. It was a good start overall.
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Re: Cingrani Time!

Postby isayfujobu » Sat May 04, 2013 3:15 pm

rjforlife wrote:Even so, 6 innings and he gives up just 3 hits and a walk and strikes out 5. 4 er, but overall he was rock solid considering the stuff he had. I'm encouraged.


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Re: Cingrani Time!

Postby thatguy27 » Tue May 14, 2013 2:38 am

So, anyone know what's likely to happen when Cueto returns? Who stays in the rotation: Cingrani or Leake? If it's Leake, does Cingrani get sent down to work on his secondary pitches, or perhaps remain in the bigs as a reliever? A lot of possibilities. I for one think that best thing for Cingrani (not necessarily the Reds) would be for him to go back to the minors and further develop his secondary pitches. If he can develop his curve and change into plus pitches to go with that nasty slider, he'll be damn near unhittable. These aren't lessons I think you want him to be learning in the majors, because small mistakes can lead to bad things and bad things can lead to low confidence. On the other hand, the fear might be that if he does return to the minors, he'll resort to throwing his fastball 90%+ of the time simply because he can. It's a tough decision for the Reds to be sure, and I'll be very curious to see which way they go with it. Leake is not a bad pitcher by any means. He absolutely belongs in the majors as a 4/5 starter (or the number 1 guy on a team like Colorado), but even now he doesn't hold a candle to an unpolished Cingrani, which is what makes this such an interesting decision for a team hoping to contend. Thoughts?
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Re: Cingrani Time!

Postby kimchi_chigae » Tue May 14, 2013 5:22 pm

Cingrani's start got moved to Friday against PHI. Not that the Phillies are that scary, but we lose out on the outing against MIA. Shoulder soreness.
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Re: Cingrani Time!

Postby kimchi_chigae » Fri May 17, 2013 8:43 pm

Thanks for the ride, Tony. Your efforts will not be forgotten. ;-D
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Re: Cingrani Time!

Postby wrveres » Fri May 17, 2013 9:06 pm

The Reds have listed Mike Leake as their probable starter for Tuesday’s game vs. the Mets, with Mat Latos taking Wednesday’s finale and facing off against Matt Harvey.

That would seem to indicate that tonight could be Tony Cingrani’s last start in the Majors for a little while.

Johnny Cueto is coming off of the DL and pitching on Monday at New York, with Leake now stationed between him and Latos. There was no specific effort to split up Cueto and Latos in the order.

“It’s when Johnny was ready and we had to re-tweak the rotation as it was because of Cingrani needing the extra day,” Reds manager Dusty Baker said. “That kind of changed everything. A lot of times you have a reason but this is for no particular reason. [Monday] is Johnny’s day to pitch.”

During my off days, I saw the the quotes from Baker that he never viewed the situation as Leake vs. Cingrani, and said that Leake wasn’t pitching for his job. But Leake certainly helped his own cause by posting a 2.79 ERA in his last three starts since that three-inning bad outing.


http://marksheldon.mlblogs.com/2013/05/ ... h-tuesday/

I asked Dusty Baker after tonight’s game if Mike Leake had done enough to keep his spot in the rotation. Leake (3-2) has a 2.75 ERA over his last five starts. He’s gone at least six innings in all five.

Leake, according to conventional wisdom, has been competing with Tony Cingrani to keep a spot when No. 1 starter Johnny Cueto returns from the disabled list. Baker said that’s not the case.

“Who’s talking about keeping his spot?” Baker said. “He’s doing better than some of the guys on our staff. I don’t understand why it comes down to Leake and somebody else. Leakie’s pitched well. He’s taken us deep into games.

“It never was a competition.”

Baker did not definitively say who goes when Cueto returns. Cueto is scheduled to start Monday.

“We’ll let you know when that happens,” Baker said. “I don’t think it was a matter of Leakie pitching to keep his spot. It was his spot before anyone else came. You just don’t give up on somebody that quick.”


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Re: Cingrani Time!

Postby kab21 » Fri May 17, 2013 10:25 pm

Does it still make sense to take Cingrani over Lester?
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