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Re: 4/2 Cheering, Venting and Acing Opening Day

Postby wrveres » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:25 pm

he entered the 9th facing two scrub catchers, and some guy named Marwin. you put him out there. period.
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Re: 4/2 Cheering, Venting and Acing Opening Day

Postby BronXBombers51 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:25 pm

To quote Jonathan Bernhardt on Twitter...

Jonathan Bernhardt wrote:Maybe keep Yu Darvish in until he's not throwing maybe the sickest single pitch in MLB with ease wherever he wants, and f*** pitch counts


I concur.
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Re: 4/2 Cheering, Venting and Acing Opening Day

Postby Izenhart » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:26 pm

Skin Blues wrote:Angry tweets from fans versus risking diminished effectiveness of your ace for an entire season, less than a year after your previous ace was lost for 12+ months due to being jerked around by management. Tough call.


I don't buy into the pitch count thing very much. Some guys can throw 200 pitches an outing, some 80. Nolan Ryan could have thrown 10,000 pitches a start and still come out on 1 day rest to throw a 20 inning CG.

Santana has been done for years the no hitter had zero effect on his arm breaking when it did. Just my opinion.
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Re: 4/2 Cheering, Venting and Acing Opening Day

Postby Ender » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:36 pm

Nolan Ryan averaged around 112 pitches per game over his career. The gap between todays game and back then is only about 15 pitches, not nearly what people thought it was. Most of those extra innings came from pitching more often, not pitching deeper into games. If you go back farther in time the gap widens because pitches threw a ton fewer pitches per inning so could go deeper into games.
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Re: 4/2 Cheering, Venting and Acing Opening Day

Postby Skin Blues » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:39 pm

Izenhart wrote:
Skin Blues wrote:Angry tweets from fans versus risking diminished effectiveness of your ace for an entire season, less than a year after your previous ace was lost for 12+ months due to being jerked around by management. Tough call.


I don't buy into the pitch count thing very much. Some guys can throw 200 pitches an outing, some 80. Nolan Ryan could have thrown 10,000 pitches a start and still come out on 1 day rest to throw a 20 inning CG.

Santana has been done for years the no hitter had zero effect on his arm breaking when it did. Just my opinion.

Right, you never know who can handle it. Until their arm is wrecked. Why play Russian roulette for something that does nothing to help your team? As for Santana, it was pretty clear by his injury history that this isn't a guy to mess around with. A simple look at his game log from last season paints a very clear picture. He was pitching a Cy Young calibre 11 starts up until the 137th pitch of the no-hitter. 18 ER in 62 IP. Afterwards he was absolute garbage, with 45 ER in only 49 IP spanning 10 starts. And down came the curtain on his career, and his $25M vesting option for 2013.
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Re: 4/2 Cheering, Venting and Acing Opening Day

Postby Ender » Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:42 pm

To those that don't buy into BABIP go rewatch the Brewers vs Rockies game from tonight. There were 9 hits on infield groundballs(combined, like 6 for rockies 3 for brewers) in the game most of which were weakly hit balls that just found the perfect little distance to turn into a hit rather than an out. There were 4 of them in one inning where the Rockies ended up scoring 3 runs while only hitting one ball hard. It was a pretty crazy game from that standpoint and obviously isn't normal but it takes a long time for these things to even out when you get a bunch of them stacked up in a row on you, especially for a RP.
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Re: 4/2 Cheering, Venting and Acing Opening Day

Postby thedude » Wed Apr 03, 2013 12:13 am

Most pitchers can handle 110 pitch outings, pretty easily. It is not like Darvish was at 130 pitches going into the 9th. I would highly doubt whether you could find more than two managers in the history of professional baseball who would remove Darvish in that situation.
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Re: 4/2 Cheering, Venting and Acing Opening Day

Postby cordscords » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:13 am

9 HR in Spring Training, 2 HR tonight for Morse.

Buy/Sell 30+ HR?
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Re: 4/2 Cheering, Venting and Acing Opening Day

Postby Ender » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:22 am

cordscords wrote:9 HR in Spring Training, 2 HR tonight for Morse.

Buy/Sell 30+ HR?


That is a good line for him, I can see either side of the equation. I think he is in the 25-35 range.
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Re: 4/2 Cheering, Venting and Acing Opening Day

Postby GiantsFan14 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:29 am

Bumgarner absolutely dominated the Dodgers tonight. Kid is pretty, pretty good.
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