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Re: 2013 New York Yankees

Postby kab21 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:22 am

toledomudhens wrote:I'm not totally sold oon them being good in a season or two myself, thats why i was saying lets go with a 3 year plan, cause essentally thats what some of these teams have right now, is that 3 year window to win now. I am not in favor(as much as i love him) to give cano 200 million+, to a guy who will be 31 when the contract starts. So let cashman be billy bean for a year or 2, Trade cano as soon as you know your out, and not a minute longer, Trade granderson to a contender looking to add some power, he is a free agent so trade him, cause I don't see them giving him 100+ million either....Trade these guys, get young, keep what we have right now in the minors, and make smart aquisitions(younger players). Stay away from the 35+ club. Tex i think has 2 years left after this?????, Arod is a whole other story, I personally would give it to him like he has to us, and make him a bench player and nothing more the rest of his carrer.He is going to get his money regardless(cause no one wants this guy), so lets piss him and his ego off as much as we can...So lets let the jays, nats, tigers, reds, phils(they are almost up as well), angels and the rangers do there thing for the next 2-3 yrs, and I hate saying this, but lets get young, make smart aquisitions, make SMART trades, STOCK OUR PITCHING, and maybe then we can be a dynasty again..No more 200 million dollar deals, unless its right now to trout, harper or stanton...lol..lol...Don't bring pettit back anymore, let ichiro go, don't ever resign youk, kuroda's time is real near, Let rivera have this year, and let jeter get another couple hits and be gone....3 yrs, And I think we are #1 again, even if you want to stay under 180 mil.....There will always be players to be signed, it's just a matter of finding those diamonds in the rough. Go yankees Go....I am not saying that what i have written here is wright or wrong, it is just how I personally would really think about if I were them.....


This plan will result in a 70ish win team in 2014 and it will take way longer than 3 years to rebuild.
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Re: 2013 New York Yankees

Postby toledomudhens » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:31 am

possibley, 70-75 wins, but like i said, we make these trades, get the young prospects, draft picks so when we have a chance to make a trade like the jays did this year we will be able too take on some $$$, plus we will still have yougsters ready to go....I know this all sound too easy and it never works out that way, but I would give it a try and see where you are in 2-3 yrs, and give pineda the strasburg treatment for 2 yrs...whats the worst that can happen, were younger, were under the "cap" and we can sign a free agent or two, or make a mega deal without breaking the farm system....who knows, I just know that if we go the route I think there going to go, we will be having this same convo in 4 yrs when cano is not that 25 mil a season player.....
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Re: 2013 New York Yankees

Postby Grounded Polo » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:33 am

kab21 wrote:This plan will result in a 70ish win team in 2014 and it will take way longer than 3 years to rebuild.


I'm interested in seeing how the Yankees fare in 2014-2015. I'm expecting 85 wins this year but going forward, Granderson is bound to be a casualty unless they want to have like 110 million a year between the CC/ARod/Tex then him and Cano. Their old guys like Kuroda, Pettite, etc. are pretty effective and on a year to year basis now but I'm amazed at how a team with the greatest resources in baseball hasn't developed an impact bat for their lineup since Cano and who knows on the starting pitching side. Hughes has shown flashes but I wouldn't be surprised to see him put it all together ... for another team in 2014 because the Yankees don't want to pay to keep him. I think it's been the same talk for like 10 years now - stop signing old guys to long contracts, pitching over hitting, home grown players like the mid 90's - but they've been pretty successful doing the exact opposite. Going forward, it does look like only 1B, 2B, and obviously DH will be blocked so when Gary Sanchez and the outfield prospects are ready, they shouldn't get blocked like Montero and Joba. Pitching future looks ugly thanks to TJ for Banuelos and who knows if Pineda will bounce back.

Hope Yankee fans can deal with an unacceptable period of only 85 wins per season until Bryce Harper signs.
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Re: 2013 New York Yankees

Postby toledomudhens » Sat Mar 09, 2013 12:46 pm

Ok don't go getting crazy on me, I am just looking at "possable" trades that could work, do I think these teams would do it? I don't know...
#1...cano and huges(if healthy)or kuroda...for desmond, jordan zimmerman, and 2 prospects(evrything there is cost controlled for a few years, and you get jeter's replacement, a #2 pitcher behind cc...and hopefully some decent prospects.I don't know there system...The nats can afford cano right now, cause the big fellas are not due big paydays for a while.....
#2.granderson for kenley janson, and 2 prospects...we get rivera's replacement and hopefully 2 good prospects....we of corse would pay all salaries we have traded this year....but we have gardner, and we do have some fielders in the minors right now that could be in there everyday...Who know's maybe we find that dimaond in the rough as well with some propects.....
#3...Now while aquireing the prospects, and having our own down in AAA, and AA..we look at a few of oaklands young players...ie(anderson)...see if they want us to pay for cepedes?????...lol..lol
These are just my thoughts about possible trades that could happen, and good players that could replace our legends in jeter and rivera, lock up some young cost controlled players for a few years too come, cause AROD is still there....aAHHHHHHHH...I would like to hear some feedback on YOUR THOUGHTS IF YOU WERE TOO trade both cano and granderson. would be fun and cool to hear some other idea's
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Re: 2013 New York Yankees

Postby rib217 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 3:28 pm

My question from a Fantasy perspective is how much of an overall hit does Cano take from the limp Yankees lineup now? will his numbers be impacted in a significant way?
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Re: 2013 New York Yankees

Postby kab21 » Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:25 pm

Cano will bring some good prospects but he won't bring a Zimmerman level MLB pitcher. he's great but he's an upcoming FA.
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Re: 2013 New York Yankees

Postby Urban Cohorts » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:29 pm

A few unreasonable comments...

BronXBombers51 wrote:Exactly. As sketchy as the Yankees look on paper, they're still as strong or stronger than anyone else in that division for 2013.


According to... delusional Yankee fans?

I think the division is going to be close, but all things being even (injuries) the Jays are clearly the best team on paper.

Pogotheostrich wrote:It probably isn't a good idea but no team has more resources than the Yankees.


False.
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toledomudhens wrote:Actually vegas has the jays as the favorite....and how do you expect these old timers to compete with these teams that are young and built to win now....Your love for the yanks will blind you, but get real, we are the 2012 red sox...


First of all, it depends what sportsbook you're using as to who the favorite is. I just briefly looked a few up and the Yankees and Jays O/U for wins were both set at 86.5 on each one. But regardless, to say the Yankees would be "lucky" to finish in 4th place is laughable. These "old timers" did alright last year...winning 95 games and making it to the ALCS. Yeah they lost some pieces but so did Tampa. Baltimore over-performed by a large margin last year, Boston will be improved but would have to have a lot of things go right for them to even make a wildcard spot and Toronto is being vastly overrated based on a few high-profile trades.


Really? Am I missing something?

The Yankees had a great record last year but I don't think anyone expects them to come close to those 95 wins. I don't see where the improvement is for their team.. The rotation is the same, just older. The bullpen isn't better. It looks like most of their hitters should be declining from 2012. If the Orioles over-performed by a large margin then so did the Yankees. The only difference for 2013 is that the Orioles are younger and improving. The Jays are the best team on paper and made some pretty sizable improvements. Reyes, Dickey, Johnson, and a healthy Bautista are nothing to laugh at. Injuries are the only thing that will derail them IMO.

I don't want to get into the Red Sox. But at least they have guys who could potentially rebound and prove that 2012 was an outlier (Lester, Buchholz). And if a couple of the injury prone guys stay on the field (Ortiz, Napoli, Ellsbury) then they will be at least competitive. Oh and don't forget about the awesome John Lackey. He's going to win 20 games alone.

bigh0rt wrote:I love every second of this.


:-D

toledomudhens wrote:#4 When trading for prospects and draft picks you never know what your going to get, when was pujols drafted, was trout supposed to as good as he is?...I would rather get that chance to maybe get something special then nothing at all, for another spoiled ball player.


Someone else said it, but I'll say it again: No one is going to trade the Yankees anything for Cano! Not with his FA status looming!

toledomudhens wrote:Yes i believe they will be the 2012 red sox......sorry if u don't agree...


They won't be THAT bad. But yes, they could very well finish in 5th. Which is much more likely than 1st.

Ender wrote:The Blue Jays are being pretty overrated in this thread. They are the last year's Tigers who everyone said would run away with the division and instead took a collapse by another team to make the playoffs. That is a pretty mediocre pitching staff.


Outside of the Rays the Jays have the highest upside with their starting rotation. And while it is true that we won't know how well the rotation will perform in 2013, there is an awful lot of talent there. Dickey and a healthy Morrow are a very competitive 1-2. Johnson has talent. Buehrle is a plus #4 starter. Romero has outperformed his peripherals in most seasons.

Ender wrote:The depth behind those guys are a bunch of guys coming off of injuries that weren't that great to begin with


Most teams don't have great options after their #5 guy. Heck, a lot of teams don't have great options behind their #3 guy.

kab21 wrote:The Yankees are still a dangerous team but they are a shell of their former selves. Definitely not the 90-100 win perennial powerhouse that they were.


Grounded Polo wrote:I'm interested in seeing how the Yankees fare in 2014-2015. I'm expecting 85 wins this year... PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE THING HERE ....can deal with an unacceptable period of only 85 wins per season until Bryce Harper signs.


Truth.

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toledomudhens wrote:wright or wrong

Should be the name of a New York Mets reality show.


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Re: 2013 New York Yankees

Postby toledomudhens » Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:01 am

You know, I keep hearing that no one will trade for cano because he is a FA next year, BUT what did the angels give for grienke last season, and I am pretty sure tex was traded during his FA year to a contender....why not cano?....It won't be the first nor the last time we see teams sell the farm for that chance to go to the ship...Thats why I gave 2 teams that have $$$ and can afford to possibly re sign both players i listed. Again I never ever say that this is the way it is, I am just sorta wishing we could do somethings like this....and that canada/mexico fight fight was AWSOME......go canada go....lol
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Re: 2013 New York Yankees

Postby AussieDodger » Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:17 am

Cashman knows what he's doing, he'll (eventually) get them out of this.
Can't imagine 2013 being much fun though if the suspension rumours are true.

They still have Sabathia to build their rotation around, that's a great start.
If Pineda is still "fabulous young SP M.Pineda" and not "broken shoulder mediocrity", that's two quality SPs...one of which is making near-minimum.
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Re: 2013 New York Yankees

Postby toledomudhens » Sun Mar 10, 2013 10:36 am

AussieDodger wrote:Cashman knows what he's doing, he'll (eventually) get them out of this.
Can't imagine 2013 being much fun though if the suspension rumours are true.

They still have Sabathia to build their rotation around, that's a great start.
If Pineda is still "fabulous young SP M.Pineda" and not "broken shoulder mediocrity", that's two quality SPs...one of which is making near-minimum.


CC, surgery to remove bone spurs, wont get the run support this year, and has logged ALOT of innings in the past 5 yrs...1150ish....And pineda, is a shame because the yankees are esentailly going to have to treat him like the nats did with zim and stras for the next 2 yrs, as to not kill him if he does come back....Our next 2 are pretty much 40 yrs old each, 1 with injury problems...Another young pitcher has buldging disks in his back, and even when he is in there, he is not built to pitch in Yankee stadium, then 5th we don't know???????....There are just as many questions in our rotation then our hitting....we know there not going to spend money to replace injured players, and when they did for arod, they brought in youk... :~( :~( ...so ya, I can see a real bad season for this team, they do have a chance because they are the yanks and are always just right there, but 2013 just feels different going in.....if the injuries to our stars don't tell you something, just look at the freak injury to our GM...bad juju?....Thats why I keep saying shake things up and TRY and trade the 2 guys that could command quality mlb players now, and top prospects as well..cano and granderson....
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