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New managers inherit auction keepers???

Postby ScReWBaLLL » Tue Mar 05, 2013 9:56 pm

Our 12 team auction keeper league keeps three guys at their auction value for up to two years. Over the offseason, two managers quit and we have found two people to replace. Commish wants to let the two new guys do a little snake draft to draft each of their three keepers from a pool consisting of the rosters of the two teams that quit last year. It is a point of contention, as others say to just have them start fresh with no keepers. What do you all think is the most fair?

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Re: New managers inherit auction keepers???

Postby fast dogs » Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:44 am

Why should the new guys not get to start with a couple value picks like everyone else? Your commish has it right. Finding good managers to replace outgoing 1's is one of the keys in a healthy keeper league
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Re: New managers inherit auction keepers???

Postby Fantasy Sports Genie » Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:49 am

I'd mostly think that this should have been discussed before the new managers were brought in.

My league has brought in new owners that directly inherited previous teams, including their players and costs. We've also (long ago) brought in multiple teams and allowed them to do an expansion draft kinda thing where they first draft players from all the abandoned teams before naming keepers. Either worked fine. The decision to say they have to start completely naked seems odd. I'm sure you *could* do that, it just seems unnecessary, and the kind of thing that I'd want to know when I was joining a league.
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Re: New managers inherit auction keepers???

Postby RotoValue » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:22 am

What seems simplest to me would be to have the 2 new owners each take over one of the old teams as-is. If they prefer different teams, great, otherwise flip a coin. That way, they'd have some roster from which they might select keepers, and it's most like an ownership change in real baseball, too. I don't lose existing contracts when I buy a team.

I agree that the new owners should have some chance to keep players at below market value, so a fully fresh auction puts them at a disadvantage to existing owners. Of course, odds are the abandoned teams are weaker than average, too, so there would still be some disadvantage, but it would be less that way.

If they simply want to snake-draft among the two teams' rosters instead of taking over an existing franchise, that also seems reasonable.
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Re: New managers inherit auction keepers???

Postby sinicalypse » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:51 pm

i just did what the OP's commish did, as i think it's the most equitable way, especially in lieu of a bunch of non-returning teams.

my league is a 13-team standard 5x5 with normal drafts/waivers and, of course, 6 keepers. last year i recruited a bunch of people who hadn't played roto, if not fantasy baseball, before so basically they petered out by june/july and decided to not come back. that left me with a situation where if new players inherited teams there'd realistically be 2, if not 3, teams that everyone would want, and the other ones would leave the new guys starting at a disadvantage. considering that i ended up having to incorporate 6 new teams into the league, i decided to go the supplemental draft route.

i manually (and painstakingly, i might add) listed all of the players from those non-returning teams and made a wordpad document that i uploaded to paste-bin, instructing the kids to go and rank those players from 1-25 so i could use it akin to a yahoo pre-draft rankings list and manually do an auto-draft for them. i made sure to indoctrinate all of the new-signees to that list, altho the 2 who had signed up b4 i made the list seemed to be too stubborn to accept my IMs (/msg's aka /query's on irc) so in the end i got to experience the joy of arbitrarily ranking 25 players like that, although for fairness' sake i scrapped that and just went by yahoo o-rank, which is exactly what would have happened if they didn't make pre-draft rankings and allowed their draft to go the autopick route.

it worked out fairly well, insomuchas everyone has 6 pretty solid keepers (altho idk why some people would do odd things like ranking torii hunter #3 on a list with braun, cano, strasburg, d-wright, prince, etc) and they're nice and balanced out. one of our players last year decided to "troll" the league by going ahead and cutting all of his would-be keepers in september, allowing still-participating teams to use the WW to nab guys like carlos gonzalez, clayton kershaw, and/or yoenis cespedes. his team was left as a joke team chock full of players like vladimir guerrero, who didn't play in the majors last year..... and, of course, this guy was one of the first to sign up for this year and be all rah rah rah ready to go, which put me in a position because at least 2 other people flat out refused to play if i allowed him to stay in the league (TALES OF AN ABSENTEE COMMISSIONER, PREMIERING SUNDAY NIGHT ON LIFETIME: TELEVISION FOR WOMEN!)

AHEM. so yeah long story short, even tho i'm currently vexed/flummoxed as to how i actually get the list of which team wants to keep which players (as the manual draft took merely has a list of all the players yahoo o-ranked from 1-999 with black K/keeper icons next to their name but NO CLUE AS TO WHICH TEAM THEY BELONG TO) once i figure that out i'm sure that the supplemental keeper draft will be a slick way to go. again, it's one thing if you're trying to fill 1-2 spots in a 12/+ team league and the non-returning teams are fully worth inheriting and not liable to start off the newcomers at a disadvantage, but when you've got a big mess like i had i truly believe the most equitable way to go is to work out a way of liquidating all of the non-returning teams and having the new players go at it as democratically/fairly as possible. if you're able to sync up all of the new teams via a chat or something, then that's fantastic and you can do it live, otherwise the manual autodraft is relatively painless to do, that is, if you've gone and ranked everyone by their yahoo o-rank or your own personal rankings which will then apply to anyone and everyone who didn't give you the list.

or hey, if you're actually the commissioner maybe you can convince the league that what's most fair is you being rewarded for your hard work and getting mike trout as a tribute? jeeeeeezuss i wish i thought of him last year =/
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