Source: Cano, A-Rod, Braun, Granderson to be suspended - Fantasy Baseball Cafe 2014 Fantasy Baseball Cafe
100% Deposit Bonus for Cafe Members!

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Source: Cano, A-Rod, Braun, Granderson to be suspended

Moderator: Baseball Moderators

Re: Source: Cano, A-Rod, Braun, Granderson to be suspended

Postby GiantsFan14 » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:22 pm

lastingsgriller wrote:Sosa is all in the numbers. As far as I'm concerned he doesn't need to get caught.

Just, all of a sudden, in his age 29 season he goes from 36 hr to 66 hr. a career 16% hr/fb guy is, out of nowhere, sustaining 25%+ hr/fb rates???


If that isn't proof that steroids make a dramatic impact, I don't know what is.


Wasn't that the same year the supposed "juiced balls" were introduced?
Image
25
@FBC_GiantsFan14 on Twitter
GiantsFan14
Baseball Scribe
Baseball Scribe

User avatar
EditorCafeholicResponse TeamCafe WriterGraphics ExpertMock(ing) DrafterWeb SupporterPick 3 Weekly Winner
Posts: 14134
(Past Year: 427)
Joined: 12 Mar 2006
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: BUSTER HATH ARRIVED

Source: Cano, A-Rod, Braun, Granderson to be suspended

Postby lastingsgriller » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:39 pm

Like I said, Sosa's improvements were much more drastic than the leagues improvements.

I'm not sure if you are grasping how extreme his power increase was.
Follow me on the twit! @chadmiller16
lastingsgriller
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
Cafe WriterCafe Ranker
Posts: 3875
(Past Year: 167)
Joined: 21 Jan 2009
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: ..skipping the light fandango.

Re: Source: Cano, A-Rod, Braun, Granderson to be suspended

Postby AHF » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:20 pm

wrveres wrote:Sosa wasn't in the Mitchell report, but was investigated. And those links are from an anonymous source 5 years after the original anonymous list was leaked. Some how when they were busy breaking the law releasing names on the list of 104, they forgot to include Sosa. They conveniently got around to it 5 years later. ;-D

Believe what you want.


Thanks! I haven't followed Sosa much at all since he pretended he didn't understand English to avoid doing anything other than reading a carefully worded prepared statement during the hearings.
AHF
College Coach
College Coach

User avatar

Posts: 232
(Past Year: 8)
Joined: 20 Feb 2009
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Source: Cano, A-Rod, Braun, Granderson to be suspended

Postby bigh0rt » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:23 pm

Did you guys know Sosa's white now?

84 more pages...
Image
bigh0rt
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicCafe WriterGraphics ExpertMock(ing) DrafterEagle EyeInnovative MemberCafe MusketeerWeb SupporterPick 3 Weekly Winner
Posts: 24815
(Past Year: 360)
Joined: 3 Jun 2005
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Crowding The Plate

Re: Source: Cano, A-Rod, Braun, Granderson to be suspended

Postby AHF » Thu Mar 07, 2013 10:27 pm

GiantsFan14 wrote:
lastingsgriller wrote:Sosa is all in the numbers. As far as I'm concerned he doesn't need to get caught.

Just, all of a sudden, in his age 29 season he goes from 36 hr to 66 hr. a career 16% hr/fb guy is, out of nowhere, sustaining 25%+ hr/fb rates???


If that isn't proof that steroids make a dramatic impact, I don't know what is.


Wasn't that the same year the supposed "juiced balls" were introduced?


I think this is just an argument going in circles. The difference in his performance by hr/fb was out of line with the rest of the league thus it was steroids. But there is no direct evidence he actually used steroids so therefore innocent until proven guilty. But his body radically transformed and his performance was inexplicably out of whack. But the one person sample size is not statistically significant as far as proving any systemic performance impact from steroids so there is no way to draw a definitive opinion about the whole issue...
AHF
College Coach
College Coach

User avatar

Posts: 232
(Past Year: 8)
Joined: 20 Feb 2009
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Source: Cano, A-Rod, Braun, Granderson to be suspended

Postby jlm53089 » Fri Mar 08, 2013 12:12 am

First person punished for PEDs..... Alex Sanchez.

Career Homeruns: 6
Image
jlm53089
General Manager
General Manager

User avatar
Pick 3 Weekly WinnerLucky Ladders Weekly Winner
Posts: 3058
(Past Year: 3)
Joined: 6 Feb 2006
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Tampa, praying for a new stadium.

Re: Source: Cano, A-Rod, Braun, Granderson to be suspended

Postby Ender » Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:31 am

Yep. Sosa is the perfect example of when steroids meet expansion meet goofy balls. He didn't only use for 4 years.
Ender
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

CafeholicFantasy Expert
Posts: 7733
Joined: 30 Apr 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball

Re: Source: Cano, A-Rod, Braun, Granderson to be suspended

Postby HOOTIE » Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:50 am

lastingsgriller wrote:Sosa is all in the numbers. As far as I'm concerned he doesn't need to get caught.

Just, all of a sudden, in his age 29 season he goes from 36 hr to 66 hr. a career 16% hr/fb guy is, out of nowhere, sustaining 25%+ hr/fb rates???


If that isn't proof that steroids make a dramatic impact, I don't know what is.


Sosa hit 36/40/36 before the 66.
Somebody never hit 30 hrs before, hits 39 and 61 back to back?
Roger Maris
A spike in numbers proves nothing. Not saying Sosa is innocent or guilty, but why can Maris do this, and Sosa can't?
Btw, the reason was both had help, 61 and 98 were expansion years.
And in 98, Sosa walked much more. If you watched him, he was chasing bad pitches much less.
Smells Like Teen Spirit
HOOTIE
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicResponse TeamFantasy ExpertCafe Ranker
Posts: 15115
(Past Year: 297)
Joined: 12 Jan 2003
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: Pearl Jam country, right next door to Nirvana, Soundgarden, and Alice in Chains.

Re: Source: Cano, A-Rod, Braun, Granderson to be suspended

Postby thedude » Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:38 am

jlm53089 wrote:First person punished for PEDs..... Alex Sanchez.

Career Homeruns: 6


LL Cool J was alleged to have used steroids

Career Home runs: zero
"I do not think baseball of today is any better than it was 30 years ago... I still think Radbourne is the greatest of the pitchers." John Sullivan 1914-Old athletes never change.
thedude
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicPick 3 Weekly Winner
Posts: 8413
(Past Year: 2)
Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: The Good Life

Re: Source: Cano, A-Rod, Braun, Granderson to be suspended

Postby thedude » Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:42 am

wrveres wrote: Some how when they were busy breaking the law releasing names on the list of 104, they forgot to include Sosa.

What law did attorney George Mitchell and his law firm break?
"I do not think baseball of today is any better than it was 30 years ago... I still think Radbourne is the greatest of the pitchers." John Sullivan 1914-Old athletes never change.
thedude
Hall of Fame Hero
Hall of Fame Hero

User avatar
CafeholicPick 3 Weekly Winner
Posts: 8413
(Past Year: 2)
Joined: 18 Dec 2004
Home Cafe: Baseball
Location: The Good Life

PreviousNext

Return to Baseball Leftovers

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: ayebatter and 10 guests

Forums Articles & Tips Sleepers Rankings Leagues


Today's Games
Wednesday, Aug. 27
(All times are EST, weather icons show forecast for game time)

St. Louis at Pittsburgh
(12:35 pm)
Texas at Seattle
(3:40 pm)
Tampa Bay at Baltimore
(7:05 pm)
Washington at Philadelphia
(7:05 pm)
Boston at Toronto
(7:07 pm)
NY Yankees at Detroit
(7:08 pm)
Atlanta at NY Mets
(7:10 pm)
Chi Cubs at Cincinnati
(7:10 pm)
Cleveland at Chi White Sox
(8:10 pm)
Oakland at Houston
(8:10 pm)
Minnesota at Kansas City
(8:10 pm)
Milwaukee at San Diego
(9:10 pm)
LA Dodgers at Arizona
(9:40 pm)
Miami at LA Angels
(10:05 pm)
Colorado at San Francisco
(10:15 pm)

  • Fantasy Baseball
  • Article Submissions
  • Privacy Statement
  • Site Survey 
  • Contact