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Trading Billy Hamilton away - what's his value???

Postby pvhawkeye » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:40 am

Someone is pestering me for Billy Hamilton in my H2H each category dynasty league (keep top 5, others will be at risk to be redrafted after 3+ active lineup years on your team). I think I can sell high at this point, before he's even tried out AAA.
Categories: R, H, RBI, HR, OPS, SB --- QS, SV, HLD, ERA, WHIP, K/9

Let's take for example the worst case scenario: Billy Hamilton steals 100 bases in the bigs and is the SB leader for 5+ years. He could win SB without any help for each match up. However, he would likely contribute 0 to HR, be below average in OPS, below average in RBI, average to below average in hits, and most likely plus in runs scored. The way I see it, if worse came to worse and he stole 100 bases for his first 5 years in the bigs, good for the team I traded him to. He wins steals every week. That means every time I lost the SB category (in 12x12 setting), that's one I lost out on, and every time I won SB I didn't need Hamilton. On top of that, I've seen other prospects get drafted in our draft with around 100 SB which makes me wonder how often do speedy guys get these crazy totals? And, obviously, how we don't see this in the bigs?

How would you value him? I saw in another thread someone compared him to Michael Bourn at best. Seems like a fair ceiling at this point.
I want to offer a trade soon, my opponent is telling me he's deep in pitching and that nobody is "untouchable".

My team
C
Napoli, Mike C,1B - BOS Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
1B
Davis, Ike 1B - NYM Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
2B
Hill, Aaron 2B - ARI Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
3B
Seager, Kyle 2B,3B - SEA Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
SS
Scutaro, Marco 2B,3B,SS - SF Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
OF
Cabrera, Melky OF - TOR Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
OF
McCutchen, Andrew OF - PIT Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
OF
Trout, Mike OF - LAA Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
UT
Beltran, Carlos OF - STL Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
UT
Olt, Mike (R) 1B - TEX Active @HOU Sun 8:05PM 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Morales, Kendrys 1B - SEA Reserve 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Reyes, Jose SS - TOR Reserve 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Hunter, Torii OF - DET Reserve 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Grandal, Yasmani C - SD Minors 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Hamilton, Billy (R) SS - CIN Minors 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Granderson, Curtis OF - NYY Minors 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000

SP
Fiers, Mike SP,P - MIL Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 - -
SP
Harvey, Matt SP,P - NYM Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 - -
SP
Lincecum, Tim SP,P - SF Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 - -
SP
Medlen, Kris SP,RP,P - ATL Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 - -
SP
Vogelsong, Ryan SP,P - SF Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 - -
RP
Betancourt, Rafael RP,P - COL Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 - -
RP
Frieri, Ernesto RP,P - LAA Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 - -
RP
Putz, J.J. RP,P - ARI Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 - -
RP
Robertson, David RP,P - NYY Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 - -
RP
Uehara, Koji RP,P - BOS Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 - -
P
Cook, Ryan RP,P - OAK Active 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 - -
Adams, Mike RP,P - PHI Reserve 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 - -
Wilhelmsen, Tom RP,P - SEA
Miller, Shelby


HIS TEAM
C
Montero, Miguel C - ARI Active 141 486 65 139 15 88 0 .829
1B
Teixeira, Mark 1B - NYY Active 123 451 66 113 24 84 2 .807
2B
Altuve, Jose 2B - HOU Active TEX Sun 8:05PM 147 576 80 167 7 37 33 .740
3B
Ramirez, Aramis 3B - MIL Active 149 570 92 171 27 105 9 .901
SS
Tulowitzki, Troy SS - COL Active 47 181 33 52 8 27 2 .846
OF
Bruce, Jay OF - CIN Active 155 560 89 141 34 99 9 .841
OF
Heyward, Jason OF - ATL Active 158 587 93 158 27 82 21 .814
OF
Holliday, Matt OF - STL Active 157 599 95 177 27 102 4 .877
UT
Dunn, Adam 1B - CHW Active 151 539 87 110 41 96 2 .800
UT
Jennings, Desmond OF - TB Active 132 505 85 124 13 47 31 .702
Youkilis, Kevin 1B,3B - NYY Reserve 122 438 72 103 19 60 0 .745
Machado, Manny 3B - BAL Reserve 51 191 24 50 7 26 2 .739
Segura, Jean SS - MIL Reserve 45 151 19 39 0 14 7 .640

Sanchez, Gary C - NYY Minors 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Gyorko, Jedd 3B - SD Minors 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Baez, Javier SS - CHC Minors 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000
Martin, Leonys OF - TEX Minors @HOU Sun 8:05PM 24 46 6 8 0 6 3 .605
Singleton, Jonathan OF - HOU Minors TEX Sun 8:05PM 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .000

Pos Move Name Status Opp OS GP GS QS IP H BB K/9 Sv Hld ERA WHIP Action
SP
Cain, Matt SP,P - SF Active 32 32 21 219.1 177 51 7.92 0 0 2.79 1.040
SP
Greinke, Zack SP,P - LAD Active 34 34 20 212.1 200 54 8.48 0 0 3.48 1.196
SP
Latos, Mat SP,P - CIN Active 33 33 18 209.1 179 64 7.95 0 0 3.48 1.161
SP
Sanchez, Anibal SP,P - DET Active 31 31 22 195.2 200 48 7.68 0 0 3.86 1.267
SP
Verlander, Justin SP,P - DET Active 33 33 25 238.1 192 60 9.03 0 0 2.64 1.057
RP
Kimbrel, Craig RP,P - ATL Active 63 0 0 62.2 27 14 16.66 42 0 1.01 0.654
RP
Motte, Jason RP,P - STL Active 67 0 0 72 49 17 10.75 42 0 2.75 0.917
RP
Rivera, Mariano RP,P - NYY Active 9 0 0 8.1 6 2 8.64 5 0 2.16 0.960
RP
RP
P
Bradley, Archie SP,P - ARI Minors 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 - -
Fernandez, Jose (R) SP,P - MIA Minors 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 - -
Pineda, Michael SP,P - NYY Minors 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 - -
Sanchez, Aaron SP,P - TOR Minors 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 0 0 - -
Taillon, Jameson SP,P - PIT



My goal is someone young/reliable in my SP staff such as Cain or Latos. He would NOT do Cain for B Hamilton and C Beltran.
I'd like to do a 2 for 1 trade that doesn't involve me giving up someone in my pitching staff. He said he likes Olt. Thoughts?
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Re: Trading Billy Hamilton away - what's his value???

Postby misterf » Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:54 am

I don't see any obvious fits.

Some people are much higher on Melky than I am......i would definitely try pairing him with Hamilton (and then cross your fingers). I would also give up a 2nd prospect in Seager or Grandal to get Cain.

Morales is another interesting option to throw in. Still has upside (he was looking great before his injury a couple years ago).....and if he can net you Cain, I would add him to a 3-for-1 deal with Hamilton and Beltran or Melky.


I have a feeling that you are probably going to have to settle for targeting Greinke or Latos, though. I doubt he will part an elite SP for a prospect unless you throw in somebody like Ike Davis....or hill.
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Re: Trading Billy Hamilton away - what's his value???

Postby MaudDib » Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:47 pm

I mean if he really really wants him then I don't know how to value him. Does that mean you can get a McCutchen or something crazy for Hamilton and another player. If so then you have to go that route.

More likely I would target some of his young guys like Machado or Fernandez or Baez or Bradley. If you could get a couple of those, that would be pretty darn good.

Why are you having to make the first offer though? If he wants him, then he needs to send you the first offer that way you can get a good read on what he is wanting to give up.
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Re: Trading Billy Hamilton away - what's his value???

Postby KELLYLEAK » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:31 am

I like Hamilton but if you want to deal him i'd consider all options like getting some power back. If you want pitching i'd try and snag J Fernandez from Miami. Note that I'm new to fantasy baseball so my offers could be way off, but maybe try one of these. If he doesn't like it he can counter or make an offer. See my link below.



Hamilton & Olt for either (Latos or Cain or Verlander)

I doubt he gives up Verlander but you never know. You can make the offer like i did and see if he'd do the deal for any of them. Here you get a proven young power pitcher for a top prospect and a young player. Olt might move to 3B after Beltre retires. By him saying none of his pitchers are untouchable and that he likes Olt it sounds to me like Olt and Hamilton should fetch you one of those three. If it doesn't then ask him to counter.



Hamilton & Olt for J Fernandez & Machado

This one should be in the ballpark as far as being fair. Each team gets a top prospect and a young player. Machado's value would increase if the O's move him to SS. Getting Fernandez would win you this deal imo if he lives up to the hype. If he wants a top prospect and a young up and comer like Olt he should have to give up some young talent as well.


Hamilton, Olt, and Aaron Hill for (J Bruce or Heyward) and J Gyroko

Ok this one could be way off. He has a surplus of OF and Hamilton is being groomed to play OF so the thinking here is that he can afford to deal one. If you want power Bruce or Heyward would do that. I'm not a believer in Hill so i'd try and move him while his value is high but he could prove me wrong.



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Re: Trading Billy Hamilton away - what's his value???

Postby ayebatter » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:39 am

The second coming of Juan Pierre at this point.
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Re: Trading Billy Hamilton away - what's his value???

Postby rupertoooo » Fri Mar 01, 2013 9:02 am

Hamilton's comp would be Vince Coleman however in Hamilton's short time in the upper minors he has shown better plate discipline than Coleman. There is no doubt that Hamilton will steal 100+ bags a year however the question is will he hit enough to be given the opportunity, which is still up in the air however the progress he made last year is encouraging.

As for the trade if the owner wants him make him pay. Personally I would deal him for Machado straight up however looking at his squad he would not make the move (or at least should not) because Machado is his future 3B.

I would set my sights on any of the following Machado/Fernandez/Taillon and Latos (simply because I do not see him giving up one of the big three) and Jennings.
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Re: Trading Billy Hamilton away - what's his value???

Postby MadDog36 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:29 pm

You need a 1b. Maybe snag Tex off him on the very very cheap.
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Re: Trading Billy Hamilton away - what's his value???

Postby Element » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:38 pm

MaudDib wrote:Why are you having to make the first offer though? If he wants him, then he needs to send you the first offer that way you can get a good read on what he is wanting to give up.


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Re: Trading Billy Hamilton away - what's his value???

Postby pvhawkeye » Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:53 am

Element wrote:
MaudDib wrote:Why are you having to make the first offer though? If he wants him, then he needs to send you the first offer that way you can get a good read on what he is wanting to give up.


;-D

This is negotiation 101 in any forum/format. Whether you have an offer in mind or not, make your counterpart offer first.


Sorry guys I left this out somehow, probably because his offer to me seemed quite preposterous...
He would give me : Matt Holliday and Leonys Martin
I would give him: Billy Hamilton and Mike Olt
and he said "This goes against my better judgment" ... yeah ok.
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Re: Trading Billy Hamilton away - what's his value???

Postby MadDog36 » Mon Mar 04, 2013 2:10 am

Hawk is he playing with the idea that proven talent Holliday (is worth more than a prospect no matter the upside)...he does have a point, but this deal still doesn't really benefit you.

Like I said you could use a 1b to at least give you a fallback option if either or Davis fall off completely. See if you can pry Tex away from him on the cheap.
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