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Postby st3v3k4hn » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:23 pm

I've been playing around with different ways of valuing projections (I’m using the ECR projections from FantasyPros) to come up with rankings. One of the things I tried was to just assign ranks to each category; so for HRs Stanton is projected #1, Cabrera is #2, Bautista #3, etc. So I did that for each standard category, then added them up and re-ranked to come up with an overall rank. The results are quite different than the standard rankings you tend to see. It really penalizes guys who are terrible in any category, so for example, guys like Miggy and Cano drop a bit due to (sucking in) SBs. And guys like Adam Jones, Matt Holliday, J Upton and Harper get bumped up quite a bit because of their overall consistency across all stats. This makes sense to me as I am trying to win all categories and thus I think the 5-tool guys should be valued more highly. Granderson comes in way higher than normal, which also makes sense to me – he is like mini-Miggy, really good in 4 categories, sucky in 1 (but for him it’s AVG instead of SBs). So the one bad stat knocks him down a bit but the 4 good stats push him up to 15.

I know this is flawed (biggest problem I see is that it doesn’t account for how much better #1 is vs. #2 and so on – for example Miggy is so far ahead in AVG and RBIs but it just shows #1 rank) but I wonder if anyone has any comments or at least thinks this is interesting? 

Player Name Overall rank AVG Rank Run Rank HR Rank RBI Rank SB Rank
Ryan Braun 1 3 3 4 2 17
Matt Kemp 2 26 13 10 9 27
Mike Trout 3 7 1 20 57 1
Albert Pujols 4 11 9 6 4 58
Miguel Cabrera 5 1 2 2 1 88
Andrew McCutchen 6 13 12 24 26 20
Robinson Cano 7 2 4 13 6 80
Carlos Gonzalez 8 30 13 24 21 27
Joey Votto 9 16 7 24 9 64
Adam Jones 10 10 24 20 28 45
Prince Fielder 11 14 10 8 2 107
Matt Holliday 12 16 16 24 12 76
Josh Hamilton 13 48 22 10 7 64
Curtis Granderson 14 86 7 4 12 45
Justin Upton 15 32 10 43 42 30
Bryce Harper 16 34 13 31 57 27
Adrian Gonzalez 16 5 24 31 5 97
Jay Bruce 18 63 19 6 12 64
Billy Butler 19 4 42 31 8 97
Giancarlo Stanton 20 73 30 1 9 72
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Re: Doing my own rankings

Postby Ender » Sat Feb 23, 2013 5:27 pm

I would find a better way to do your rankings. Something as simple as giving a guy a 5 for being elite, 3 for being average and 1 for stinking would work better than this.
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Re: Doing my own rankings

Postby bayside » Sat Feb 23, 2013 7:41 pm

This way only works if the distribution of every stat is evenly spread out from #1 through replacement level.
Otherwise you have no way to account for large drops in production in any particular stat
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Re: Doing my own rankings

Postby Izenhart » Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:41 am

It's a good starting point because this is a simplistic version of weighing each category equally. The problem is of course it severely penalizes a player with 0 steals the same way it would severely penalize Adam Dunn for batting .199.

If you are trying to evaluate stats correctly you have to realize .001 BA is not worth 1 SB or 1R or 1HR... The ranking system you have can give you an idea where a player is strong or weak but you won't get any real values out of it beyond that.

For example:
Albert Pujols 4 11 9 6 4 58
Miguel Cabrera 5 1 2 2 1 88

Your system basically says the 5 or so stolen bases Pujols gets over Miggy separate them by 30, which means to equal Albert's value Cabrera must be 30 better in the other categories. If Miggy batted .500 with 300 runs, 100 homeruns and 300 rbi and sported all 1's in the other categories Pujols would still outrank him here due to the 5sb differential.

Very flawed.
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Re: Doing my own rankings

Postby st3v3k4hn » Sun Feb 24, 2013 12:42 pm

Ok, that makes sense, thanks. I knew it was flawed but didnt realize how badly til now. Still, always fun to play with the data :)
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