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Postby MVPunisher » Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:05 pm

In a league where it is h2h categories ... 6 moves per week...

The pitching setup is as followed:

K, W, H (neg), BB, (neg), Hd, SV, ERA, WHIP

Thing is they have bbs and hits ... yet they have WHIP...i think its 45 min IP or whatever....but do u guys see any reason why there needs to be WHIP and walks and hits...? Streaming is limited by the move limit...seems laughable to me the idea of winning WHIP but losing walks and hits because I pitched too many innings ....


His reasoning is to value k/9 but wouldnt changing Ks to K/9 be a logical solution to this without all the nonsense...
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Postby bigmck » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:25 pm

I never have liked negative stats. WHIP will take care of those for you.
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Postby dmendro » Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:30 pm

Offer up K/B ratio instead maybe?
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Postby fsbarren » Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:00 am

If he changes Ks to K/9, it almost becomes an anti-streaming league (you're rewarded for pitching fewer guys with better ratios). Ks is a volume category to encourage more pitching to offset the negative stats that encourage pitching less.

I think adding quality starts would round things out since it would presumably offset on of the negative stats. If not, definitely get rid of at least one of the negative stats.

Otherwise, just draft/trade for 2-3 pitching studs with 200k potential and fill the rest of the pitching roster with super high k/9 relievers (9+) with good whip and you should all set on the pitching stats. Not the funnest way to play it out, but it'll get the job done

Good luck!
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Postby RotoValue » Fri Feb 15, 2013 8:03 am

Ouch - I don't like that setup at all. Negative categories discourage using guys who play. Usually you want to use the 2-start weeks, not avoid them! But in this format, K/W are positive cumulative categories, but BB/H are negative ones, and with wins being so fluky, you'd have to consider benching a mediocre starter on a 2-start week!

For relievers, basically guys who get saves don't get holds, and vice-versa, while wins are especially fluky from the bullpen. So again you've got effectively just 2 positive cumulative categories (K and either saves/holds) offset by the 2 negative ones.

I'd say ditch the negative categories entirely: WHIP already punishes people who give up lots of H and BB. If you have to keep the negative categories, add IP to offset the impact.

Heck, while I'm in a long-time traditional 4x4 league, I think that format is not optimal because in pitching the two cumulative categories are negatively correlated (guys who get wins don't get saves, and vice-versa), so when a good pitcher goes down in a deep league, you're often better off not replacing him than risking hurting your WHIP/ERA. In this format, the decision is even clearer.
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