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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby bayside » Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:36 pm

C'mon guys, quit panicking.



Theres absolutely nothing to worry about... unless Ender says there is :-D
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby Crippler » Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:48 pm

If you guys are trying to sell these players before your league-mates notice what's going on, you don't deserve to be invited back to your leagues next season.

Stay classy, guys.
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby kab21 » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:05 pm

IIRC Cano was only linked with a highly speculative report that was unrelated to this. It wouldn't shock me if he's one of those unnamed players but I don't remember a direct link to this clinic like Braun, Gio, ARod and Grandal had. But I didn't reread this thread so it's possible that he's also in here.
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby jackie hayes » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:11 pm

kab21 wrote:IIRC Cano was only linked with a highly speculative report that was unrelated to this. It wouldn't shock me if he's one of those unnamed players but I don't remember a direct link to this clinic like Braun, Gio, ARod and Grandal had. But I didn't reread this thread so it's possible that he's also in here.


From this new ESPN article:

The spokeswoman for Cano's foundation, Sonia Cruz, was listed in Biogenesis documents, as ESPN reported, and MLB officials have investigated whether she might have been a conduit for Cano.


So it's not a direct connection, but something still could happen.

So, I'm not on board with trying to trade damaged goods before others see the news, but what about taking the other side? What's the timeline here? If the affadavit + appeals + arbitration take long enough, what about trying to buy for pennies on the dollar from panicking owners?
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby SpecialFNK » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:24 pm

for fantasy, who could be replacements for those that could be suspended?

Milwaukee. Logan Schafer?
Texas. Mike Olt? if Cruz is suspended, maybe Profar moves to the OF?
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby SpecialFNK » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:28 pm

if MLB came out and announced whatever suspensions there were, the players involved would still get to appeal? and therefor continue to play until an appeal.
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby kab21 » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:31 pm

And Braun just hit the trading block in my league. lol
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby Havok1517 » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:40 pm

I guess I don't see how the league can justify suspending players based on the testimony of a guy that supposedly supplied them with PEDs and those players didn't officially test positive for PEDs. While guys like Cabrera and Grandal have in the past as well as Braun, though there were obvious issues with his sample, I just don't see how the players union can let this go on without concrete evidence. I mean the whole thing could be fabricated and unwarranted. If they are guilty, then they should be punished but there will need to be evidence and they are innocent until proven guilty and should only be suspended when/if proven guilty.
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby kab21 » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:45 pm

Havok1517 wrote:I guess I don't see how the league can justify suspending players based on the testimony of a guy that supposedly supplied them with PEDs and those players didn't officially test positive for PEDs. While guys like Cabrera and Grandal have in the past as well as Braun, though there were obvious issues with his sample, I just don't see how the players union can let this go on without concrete evidence. I mean the whole thing could be fabricated and unwarranted. If they are guilty, then they should be punished but there will need to be evidence and they are innocent until proven guilty and should only be suspended when/if proven guilty.


Yeah, this isn't a clear cut case like a failed test. There needs to be more than just testimony to prove guilt but this could get messy for everyone involved including the MLB (Selig).
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby Y`s Guy » Tue Jun 04, 2013 11:06 pm

kab21 wrote:And Braun just hit the trading block in my league. lol


Just to be funny I'm gonna put Braun on the trading block, too, just for laughs.
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