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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby kab21 » Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:54 pm

bayside wrote:This is the most complete overview of the situation I have found:
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/mlb-and- ... -a-primer/
Should clear up a lot of the questions that keep getting asked.


It gives an overview but Jordan Schafer wouldn't have been able to put up much of a legal fight in a non-analytic suspension. Using this means to suspend several mega-stars is going to be a legal disaster and image disaster for the league.
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby bayside » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:32 am

Ya thats true.
But the point is that pretty much anything beyond what that article discusses is pure speculation at this point. Nobody on this board has any real idea how everything else will play out, so its not really helping anyone when people keep posting uninformed opinions
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby dannahann » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:18 am

bayside wrote:Ya thats true.
But the point is that pretty much anything beyond what that article discusses is pure speculation at this point. Nobody on this board has any real idea how everything else will play out, so its not really helping anyone when people keep posting uninformed opinions

Thanks for the link, pretty much points out just how speculative any opinion on outcome or dates really are. Not pretty for MLB baseball, or said players, and no way for us fantasy geeks to know what to do or when.
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby AHF » Wed Jun 12, 2013 1:27 pm

SpecialFNK wrote:even if MLB decides to suspend said players, couldn't the players association tie it up through appeals for a lengthy time?
this is different than your typical suspension right? where a player gets suspended say for fighting. he appeals and it's MLB who hears the appeal and either does nothing or lessens the suspension. if these players are suspended, doesn't it get an appeal that does not go through MLB themselves?

It would be tied up for longer than a fighting suspension, etc. You would have a third party arbitrator like in the last Braun case. The difference would be that it would be an in-season issue and so the timeframe should be accelerated relative to what you might see in the offseason. It is very unclear when MLB will act or how that will play out in terms of a timeline.
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby SpecialFNK » Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:50 pm

suspensions coming soon?

According to ESPN's T.J. Quinn and Mike Fish, Major League Baseball is "expected to suspend [Ryan] Braun and [Alex] Rodriguez, along with as many as 20 players sometime after next week's All-Star break."
MLB investigators began digging into the Biogenisis records last month with the cooperation of the clinic's founder, Anthony Bosch. Now that cases have been built against the players who are suspected of purchasing PEDs from Bosch and his associates, the suspensions are just about ready to be announced. Those sentences will of course be appealed and the process of reviewing those appeals could take a while.
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby Sticky Spice » Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:58 pm

So fantasy-wise the question now is can/will those players getting suspended appeal their suspensions and (of course) play through their appeal? I guess part of it might depend on how their team is doing this season?
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby jackie hayes » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:06 pm

Sticky Spice wrote:So fantasy-wise the question now is can/will those players getting suspended appeal their suspensions and (of course) play through their appeal? I guess part of it might depend on how their team is doing this season?


I'm sure they'll appeal, however the team is doing -- for me the question is how long the appeals process will take, plus how likely it is that MLB will win the appeal.
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby silentjim » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:21 pm

Maybe what we as regular people have access to isn't as detailed as what exists, but I was always under the impression that the wording for suspensions was based on a failed test. None of these guys have failed tests. How do you enforce something where there is no proof? And then on top of that claim 100 games for certain guys? Seems like a super drawn out process that will need more than a commissioner to give a ruling.
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby Frenchiegangsta9 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:38 pm

As all Americans should know, when there are hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, expect a lengthy drawn out litigation process. I look forward to this debacle unfolding in the public arena like the Rafael Palmeiro Senate hearing circus.
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Re: New Steroid Reports - gio gonzalez, nelson cruz

Postby Frenchiegangsta9 » Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:40 pm

check that:

"5:21pm: An MLB spokesperson tells Tom Haudricourt of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel (via Twitter) that the news on Braun is premature and no decisions have been made."

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/m ... thers.html
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