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Re: The Search for Better Point Scoring

Postby mattginlv » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:36 pm

I have created a Yahoo league based on this scoring. $50 buy in. League has been running for 12 years now and decided to make the switch to H2H Points from H2H roto. See post in classifieds if interested.
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Re: The Search for Better Point Scoring

Postby RotoValue » Fri Feb 15, 2013 3:31 pm

Looks like an interesting scoring system, and it seems that it rather nicely balances offense and pitching.

If you do want to tweak to closer match MLB conditions, you might want to look at a linear weights-based sourcing of the coefficients. A good implementation of this is Tom Tango's weighted on base average (wOBA). Basically, it's sort of a hybrid of OBP and SLG where different events are given different weights, relative to their impact on scoring in average circumstances. The formula's "official" coefficients vary slightly with the run environment, but you can use static values that are going to be quite close in any MLB season.

The ones I use for computing wOBA on my site are:
HR 1.95
3b 1.56
2b 1.24
1b 0.9
bb 0.72

Hmmm... Now that I'm looking at it, I realize you're very close to these values, because you count 1 for hit, and then extra for other types. So including the H in each other event, your coefficients are:
HR 2
3b 1.5
2b 1.2
1b 1.0
bb 0.7

Fascinating!
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Re: The Search for Better Point Scoring

Postby skoodog » Sun Dec 29, 2013 2:03 am

Found this thread on a Google search and as I'm about to start a H2H points league, I found this thread extremely helpful.

I ran the proposed point scoring against Lahman's baseball stat database for all historical years of baseball. The first thing you notice is that the pre-1900s workhorses destroy the parity of the system due mostly in part to receiving pts for IP. This can pretty well be discounted since obviously it's a longshot pitchers are going to be throwing 600 IP in the future, but I have to wonder if workhorses aren't getting some unfair advantage in this scenario. Batting looks pretty good here with Ruth, Bonds, and Gehrig's seasons pretty much dominating the top 10 slots.

However I think on the batting side, the critical flaw is using AB instead of PA. For example, a single would be valued LESS than a walk, when they should be equal.

I shrunk it down to last year and I believe the saves value could probably be dropped by at least half since you have two closers in the top 3 and the AL Cy Young winner isn't even top 5. Lahman's baseball stat DB didn't have holds so I couldn't compare but I can only imagine it pushes the points pretty high for middle relievers so I'd drop this by 50% as well.
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Re: The Search for Better Point Scoring

Postby BestimusMucho » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:17 pm

I am very new to posting and thisis actually my first time. But I am starting a new league fo 2014 and I came across this thread and I think the scoring is fantastic. I would love to implement this to my league but I was wondering a few things:

How did your 2013 season go?
Will you be making any tweaks to the scoring system for the upcoming 2014 season?
How did you set the rosters? (How many SP/RP/P spots used on a given day)
For pitching, did you have any sort of limits(Innings Pitch Max etc.) for the season?

If you or anyone can answer these questions, that would be most appreciative.
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Re: The Search for Better Point Scoring

Postby Gumby Two Step » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:08 am

I'd also like to know if you've made any changes for 2014 as I would like to use this scoring system. Updates in values or added stats?
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Re: The Search for Better Point Scoring

Postby rzeszut5 » Sat Feb 22, 2014 5:26 pm

If anyone is interested in this type of league setup and wants to give it a trial run I am starting a league on ESPN with similar rules. We are looking for a few more players. Let me know if you are interested.

I think this looks like a great point system and I want to give it a trial myself, so thanks for the original post.
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Re: The Search for Better Point Scoring

Postby Zeptune » Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:58 pm

Started a CBS Dynasty H2H League last year with the scoring below. Ended up working out nicely! The goal was to have each individual players stats speak for themselves (ie. didn't matter if they were on a good or bad MLB team). Using this scoring system 57 of top 100 were pitchers. This compared to 33 pitchers in the top 100 rankings for 2014. Could see tweaking the numbers a little, but it's pretty close for a first stab at it! :-)

Scoring for Batting Categories Name Settings
1B Singles 0.92 points
2B Doubles 1.50 points
3B Triples 2.06 points
AST Assists 0.01 points
BB Walks (Batters) 0.60 points
CS Caught Stealing -0.44 points
GDP Ground Into Double Plays -0.16 points
HP Hit by Pitch 0.60 points
HR Home Runs 2.80 points
KO Strikeouts (Batter) -0.1 points
OFAST OF Assists 0.10 points
OM Outs Made -0.27 points
PBC Passed Balls by Catcher -0.19 points
SB Stolen Bases 0.19 points

Scoring for Pitching Categories Name Settings
1BA Singles Allowed -0.92 points
2BA Doubles Allowed -1.50 points
3BA Triples Allowed -2.06 points
B Balks -0.19 points
BBI Walks Issued (Pitchers) -0.4 points
ER Earned Runs -1.1 points
HB Hit Batsmen -0.4 points
HRA Home Runs Allowed -2.80 points
INN Innings 2.25 points
IRS Inherited Runners Scored -1 point
K Strikeouts (Pitcher) 0.2 points
PKO Pick Offs 0.44 points
WP Wild Pitches -0.1 points
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Re: The Search for Better Point Scoring

Postby BestimusMucho » Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:36 pm

So what is the roster layout for everyone? I am having difficulty with the Pitching roster spots.

How many SP and RP slots are there per day? Or do you use, P only?
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Re: The Search for Better Point Scoring

Postby jedvii » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:12 pm

here's our point system...

Scoring System Edit
BATTING
1B Singles 1 point
2B Doubles 2 points
3B Triples 3 points
BB Walks (Batters) .5 points
E Errors -1.5 points
H Hits 1 point
HR Home Runs 4 points
KO Strikeouts (Batter) -.5 points
R Runs 1.5 points
RBI Runs Batted In 1.5 points
SB Stolen Bases 1 point
PITCHING
APP Appearances 3 points
BBI Walks Issued (Pitchers) -.25 points
BS Blown Saves -1 point
CG Complete Games 5 points
ER Earned Runs -1.5 points
HA Hits Allowed -.25 points
INN Innings 1.5 points
K Strikeouts (Pitcher) 1 point
L Losses -3.5 points
S Saves 5 points
SO Shutouts 5 points
W Wins 10 points

I'd advise to have you innings be divisible by 3. we use 1.5 so that way if you have a 1/3 IP, you get .5

EDIT: should note, we use C,1b,2b,ss,3b,3 OF,utility batter,3 SP,1RP,1 utility P
Last edited by jedvii on Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: The Search for Better Point Scoring

Postby Zeptune » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:16 pm

BestimusMucho wrote: How many SP and RP slots are there per day? Or do you use, P only?


We use 5 starting pitchers a 3 relief pitchers. Also, note the we are a weekly H2H league. Rosters are set each Monday.
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