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Re: Need helping picking keepers

Postby MaudDib » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:11 pm

irishstephen071 wrote:
MaudDib wrote:Surprised so many people would use their 1st round pick to keep Weaver and a 2nd on Lee or Kimbrel. In redraft league you would never even consider using your first or second pick on any of those guys so why keep them at that price. Let Weaver, Lee and Kimbrel back into the draft and see what is available. I am going to assume that even with this crazy draft pick stuff, guys like Braun and Cabrera cost a 1st round pick to keep so there will only be a couple of teams that have a first round pick at all. If that is the case then you probably can get Weaver back or you can get a better player in return if one team has too many 5th round or better keepers. Same goes for the 2nd round pick as well.

Let me know if this assumption is incorrect though. In a 10 team league, I would assume that about 7 owners would NOT have their 1st round pick and about the same for the 2nd round pick. Either that or they are letting a lot of talent hit the draft board which means you would want to have that 1st round pick anyway.


I had to go back and look but last year only 5 of the 10 teams didn't have a 1st rd pick and 9 of 10 had there 2nd rd pick. You asked about guys like Braun and Cabrera, Cabrera is a 1st but Braun is a 19th, McCutchen is a 21st, Bautista is a 20th, Stanton is a 19th, Hanley is a 18th, Verlander is a 15th, Greinke is a 13th, Strasburg is a 17th, Adrian Gonzalez is a 12th, Cueto is a 11th, Fielder is a 8th, Hamilton is a 7th, Kemp is a 6th. Theres more those are just a few to show you, we have been doing this league for quite awhile I wanna say atleast 8+ years if not longer. I think the best thing for us is to up the keeper round jump instead of one round a year maybe two or three something like NY Knights said.


Wow that is crazy. Changes things as well. I would still see if you can project who might be available if you had a 1st round pick but just going off of that, it looks like Weaver might need to be a keeper.

Also agree the league would be better off if you increased the players keeper round a little faster than what you are doing now. There isn't much strategy to keeping studs if they will only cost you a 10+ pick for almost there entire career.
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Re: Need helping picking keepers

Postby irishstephen071 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:17 pm

irishstephen071 wrote:We get to keep 8 players for as long as we want, there keeper round is just dropped down one round each year kept.
We can keep a max of:
2 in rounds 1-5
2 in rounds 6-10
rest have to be kept in later rounds
(the general concept of this was pretty good so no one could keep a boat load of top players and not trade and run tables every year but now we have been in this league so long that pretty much most of the keepers are young talented players in the late rounds so we are trying to figure out a way to make it fair again but until then it is this way)
Our league is a 5x5 H2H league with OBP instead of Avg and QS instead of Wins

With all that said my team from last year goes as follows
C - Buster Posey(21st rd)
1B - Billy Butler(13th rd)
2B - Allen Craig(24th rd)
3B - Edwin Encarnacion(24th rd)
SS - Erick Aybar(15th rd)
OF - Matt Holliday(4th rd)
OF - Mark Trumbo(24th rd)
OF - Jason Kubel(17th rd)
Util - Alex Rodriguez(5th rd)
BN - David Freese(23rd rd)

SP - Jeremy Hellickson(22nd rd), Mat Latos(22nd rd), Stephen Strasburg(16th rd), Madison Bumgarner(22nd rd), Cliff Lee(2nd rd), Josh Johnson(3rd rd), Hiroki Kuroda(12th rd), Zach McAllister(24th rd), Matt Moore(Rookie Keeper), Jered Weaver(1st rd)

RP - Fernando Rodney(24th rd), Steve Cishek(24th rd), Addison Reed(22nd rd), Craig Kimbrel(2nd rd)

I was thinking my keepers would be a follows:
Buster Posey, Edwin Encarnacion, Mark Trumbo, Jeremy Hellickson, Mat Latos, Stephen Strasburg, Madison Bumgarner, and then its between either Allen Craig, Matt Holliday, or Cliff Lee
Matt Moore is a free rookie keeper in our league (because he started the year with less than 50IP) so I don't take him into account for my actual keepers this year.

It is a 10 team league, I will have the 2nd to last pick in the 1st round and it is a snake draft. I went pitching heavy last year and picked up offense later in draft and through FA/Waiver Wire since you can normally find some gem in the rough every year and it seemed to work out pretty good as I ended up losing in the league championship.

What does everyone think? Any help would be appreciated.


I wanted to bring this back up now that my roster deadline is approaching. So far I think I'm gonna keep Posey, Encarnacion, Craig, Strasburg, Lee, Latos, Bumgarner, Hellickson.

Hellickson and Craig are iffy, I am not sure Craig can stay healthy all year and that Hellickson can keep doing what he has been doing or get better. I am still high on Trumbo especially hitting behind Pujols and Hamilton. I was gonna see if maybe I could trade Trumbo for Goldschmidt just not sure if he will be better than Trumbo with Upton now in Atlanta, just dont see protection around him. Plus in my league Trumbo is elligable for 1b/3b/of this year still. Wanted to see what you all thought on my keepers and to see if trading Trumbo for Goldy would good? All input is appreciated, looking forward to helping you all also.
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Re: Need helping picking keepers

Postby misterf » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:02 pm

C - Buster Posey(21st rd) ;-D
1B - Billy Butler(13th rd) ;-D
2B - Allen Craig(24th rd) ;-D
3B - Edwin Encarnacion(24th rd) ;-D
SS - Erick Aybar(15th rd)
OF - Matt Holliday(4th rd)
OF - Mark Trumbo(24th rd) ;-D
OF - Jason Kubel(17th rd)
Util - Alex Rodriguez(5th rd)
BN - David Freese(23rd rd)

SP - Jeremy Hellickson(22nd rd), Mat Latos(22nd rd), Stephen Strasburg(16th rd) ;-D , Madison Bumgarner(22nd rd) ;-D , Cliff Lee(2nd rd), Josh Johnson(3rd rd), Hiroki Kuroda(12th rd), Zach McAllister(24th rd), Matt Moore(Rookie Keeper) ;-D , Jered Weaver(1st rd)

RP - Fernando Rodney(24th rd), Steve Cishek(24th rd), Addison Reed(22nd rd), Craig Kimbrel(2nd rd)

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Posey, Craig, Encarnacion, Strasburg and Bumgarner are stone cold, lead pipe locks. If you give any of these guys a second thought you are WAY overthinking things.

When you say Matt Moore is a "rookie keeper" I assume that means he will only cost you a last round pick. If that's the case, Moore is pretty much a no-brainer, too.

Trumbo is a steal in the 24rd round....he has good power, and position flexibility helps.

My last pick is Butler.....the guy really helps with batting avg and I think he is generally under-appreciated. 13th round is great value for him.


Guys I have on the bubble are:

Freese - like the power....but chose trumbo and butler instead because of their youth.

Hellickson and Latos.....they are good values, but not nearly as good value as the 3 pitcher I already have you keeping (Stras, Moore & MadBum) and there is no way I would keep more than 3 pitchers in this format (at least not when you have that many legit hitting options).


Lee and Weaver are great....but they just aren't 1st or 2nd round guys...and it looks like you can grab quality pitching in the draft....so I would pass.



help with mine?


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